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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: logboy on July 13, 2019, 02:03:18 PM
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asking for help on ID for a piece.
height > 40cm
width > 8cm
circumference > 27cm?
shows signs of wear to polished edge of base, suggesting some age. no polished or rough pontil, but ripples or gathering. no label or signature. unsure if of great age, too indistinct in look to pick a period out. top of this tapers almost imperceptibly - not intended, but feels like tube of glass cut-off is slightly squished by the process. has quite a deep green colour, but instead of crystal clear base it's a blue; not hugely heavy, not extremely light, but unable to weigh right now. can see this colour combination is quite common, as as cylindrical vases, but closest in appearance i've seen so far is a blenko piece which fades between colours and has handles.
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What have you already tried? Wouldn't want to duplicate anything you've already considered.
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tried? as in googling. no makers, just cylinder - cylindrical, tall, slim, glass, vase, blue / green fade / flash. i don't know how the blue to the base would be described in terms of techniques, tbh. don't know if the green or blue is a tone which indicates a type of glass or makers known style or anything like that. some green i know is that stuff that glows, and the blue is a funny shade indeed.
edit > i get different picture results depending on which way around i put those terms, oddly. i also seem to get different results on an iPad to a laptop/
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Looking at the picture of the rim, there is a faint blue line on the inner and outer aspects at about 1-2 o'clock......is this from ambient light when you took the picture, or can you see it around the edge of the rim when you look at the piece?
Next time you post, try taking pictures against a plain white background......unless it's a clear piece, which will probably be best against a black background. It takes a bit of experimentation to find the best spot at home for pictures.
I like your mushroom lamp!
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I think this is a version of sommerso - submerged colours.
I suspect the blue you can see at the rim, Cat, is just a reflection up from the base. :)
Hadeland did this sort of thing, retro sort of date.
But I'm not sure what is happening on the base.
I can see the polished flat outer ring, but what's inside that is vague and to me, and from that pic, it looks rather like a roughly ground mark - something akin to contemporary Chinese glass until recently when their finishes started improving.
But that is just my interpretation. It doesn't look like the smooth rings of mould marks, it looks as if it has rough bits.
Does it? :)
Empty backgrounds do help. ;D
It is a very nice mushroom lamp!
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I can see the polished flat outer ring, but what's inside that is vague and to me, and from that pic, it looks rather like a roughly ground mark - something akin to contemporary Chinese glass until recently when their finishes started improving.
Empty backgrounds do help. ;D
It is a very nice mushroom lamp!
it's a bit like a drinking glass or milk bottle, but with a ground edge on it. that's the best i could get due to dark colour and light catching the texture, others didn't show it as well. couldn't get clear background at the time.
mushroom lamp is artemide onfale.
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I think we're getting in a tangle with our words here. 8)
You are talking about a ground surface - to a glass person "ground" normally means rough - as in "roughly ground pontil mark".
That leaves behind a texture a bit like sandpaper or an emery board.
That sort of surface can be found on bits of the bottom of modern Chinese work.
It take a lot more work to get something polished completely smooth and shiney - like the base rim the vase stands on.
I thought I can see those sandpapery sorts of rough patches in the middle of the base.
Is it smooth to the touch?
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I think we're getting in a tangle with our words here. 8)
You are talking about a ground surface - to a glass person "ground" normally means rough - as in "roughly ground pontil mark".
That leaves behind a texture a bit like sandpaper or an emery board.
That sort of surface can be found on bits of the bottom of modern Chinese work.
It take a lot more work to get something polished completely smooth and shiney - like the base rim the vase stands on.
I thought I can see those sandpapery sorts of rough patches in the middle of the base.
Is it smooth to the touch?
smooth but rippled, not rough like sandpaper. i associate pontil marks with smooth. wouldn't know of a rough one i've seen, that i can recall. it's all smooth to the touch, but flat around the edge and rippled within it, slightly deeper into the body so it's raised onto the smooth edge.
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There is a good illustration of a roughly ground pontil scar, in this thread here.
They can be a lot untidier, but it does show it well. :)
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35591.msg193149.html#msg193149
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There is a good illustration of a roughly ground pontil scar, in this thread here.
They can be a lot untidier, but it does show it well. :)
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35591.msg193149.html#msg193149
thanks. not the kind of ground pontil i'm used to seeing. normally a concave disc shape. maybe the lack of pontil and the kind of rippling on my photo indicates poured glass, with the edge ground to make the area in contact with any surface smooth enough.
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A completely smooth one is called a polished mark or scar.
They can be nice and neatly round or a bit lopsided.
There are several different qualities of finish to a piece. The higher the quality of the piece, the higher the quality of the work done to finish it off well.
Polishing and grinding glass is a work intensive activity. It's only worth spending wages on that time for a superior item.
The ripples you are describing suggest this may have been blown into a mould, then the base rim further polished to make it nice and flat to sit on. :)
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better picture with clear background >
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Have you looked at Hadeland as an origin? I'm not getting anywhere, but I'm no good at computery thingies.
There's something very Scandi. about it, I think.
Holmegaard seems another possible candidate, but Scandi. isn't really my area. :)
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Have you looked at Hadeland as an origin? I'm not getting anywhere, but I'm no good at computery thingies.
There's something very Scandi. about it, I think.
Holmegaard seems another possible candidate, but Scandi. isn't really my area. :)
will look, thanks. noticed in direct light that i can see rings pretty equally spaced going all the way up it, a little like ripples.
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This appears to be your vase.....attributed to Aseda ..... But not a labelled example
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/705580636/aseda-bo-borgstrom-swidish-large-glass?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=tall+glass+vase&ref=sc_gallery-3-3&plkey=645af84436ee5cfd32bda00ea428a87ad7b97a58%3A705580636&frs=1
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bingo! superb spot. many thanks. will take a further look into it myself now.
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That isn't a pontil mark; it's just cooling ripples. The vase has ground rim so wouldn't necessarily have a pontil mark
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How accurate is the seller's description? Is there any actual evidence of the attribution?
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How accurate is the seller's description? Is there any actual evidence of the attribution?
etsy listing is also duplicated on eBay by the seller. another example also on there. googling around you can see pieces with the same shades, combination and in reverse combination clearly showing the aseda label. not found another same as mine with label on yet, but not had chance to look.
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Aseda certainly used these colours, although from memory other more modern retailers have sold similar. Can't recall if it was Habitat or another retailer who sold pieces with similar colours. Possibly by Aseda but would certainly look for a labelled example in this size for confirmation.
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Might be worth considering asking the seller where they got their attribution. I have nothing more helpful in any of my books, and couldn't find any websites with Aseda catalogues. I did think it was strange that yours and the etsy piece are the only ones I could find in that colourway for Aseda or for Bo Borgstrom, although there are examples in the reverse of blue over green, but in different shapes. I couldn't locate the listing on eBay......do you have a link for it?
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Might be worth considering asking the seller where they got their attribution. I have nothing more helpful in any of my books, and couldn't find any websites with Aseda catalogues. I did think it was strange that yours and the etsy piece are the only ones I could find in that colourway for Aseda or for Bo Borgstrom, although there are examples in the reverse of blue over green, but in different shapes. I couldn't locate the listing on eBay......do you have a link for it?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aseda-Bo-Borgstrom-Large-Glass-Vase-Swedish-Green-Over-Blue-Cased-Glass-Base/254296993673
think it might have been waiting to relist. reading it, suspect he took the names for it from the other that duplicates the etsy you found.
i will email the etsy seller via ebay, and ask.
suspect it’s been assumed on the tones of the colours within the combination.
pictures of other shapes enough to have me pretty much convinced for now.
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both sellers have responded, they used colour tones and combination as having been attributed to aseda bergstrom, rather than finding a labelled like for like example.
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If you could find any 40cm cylinder vase with two different colours and a label, then it wouldn't be a stretch to attribute it. Personally, I wouldn't be satisfied just yet......
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