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Title: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: neil53 on July 15, 2019, 03:04:03 PM

Hi, a 10 cm tall paneled beaker with gilt base and a shamrock enameled within it.  I have three others, two with purple flowers and one with a pig in the bottom of the glass.  Most of the collection in which this came was mid-European (Austria/Germany/Bohemia) if that helps.

Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: flying free on July 16, 2019, 11:31:21 PM

is it similar to this one?:
http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/zwischengoldglas%20clover.htm

Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: neil53 on July 17, 2019, 09:38:09 AM

Well spotted!  It is very similar but zwischengold (as I am sure you know)  is where a layer of gold appears between two layers of glass (zwischen = between) whereas my tumbler (and I suspect the one in the link you provided) has a layer of gold/gilt to the base and enamel to the inside of the bottom.  Or so I think.  I actually don't have the glass in hand and am researching it for a US customer.   It certainly looks like the same glass.  Thanks so much.

Best wishes, Neil   

Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: flying free on July 19, 2019, 04:30:54 PM

I think you might find that the decoration is protected by a gilded glass disc at the base.


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Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: flying free on July 20, 2019, 11:24:34 AM

Andrew LIneham shows two here:
the shamrock and also a pansy
http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/Bohemian%20Glass.htm

They date them to c.1860.

Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: neil53 on July 23, 2019, 03:09:57 PM

Hello, thank you for your continued interest in this glass.  I had found the site you referred to and am not sure it is Zwishengold.  I do think that the base has been enameled and then the bottom gilded to show up the enameling better.  It's so difficult to find the manufacturers of these mid-European glasses and I really appreciate the help.  Best wishes, Neil 

Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: neil53 on July 25, 2019, 02:42:23 PM

I found the following link which would suggest that it is Meyr's Neffe - https://picclick.de/Seltener-Becher-Meyrs-Neffe-Glas-WARNEM%C3%9CNDE-Blume-Kleeblatt-152783671260.html

Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: flying free on July 25, 2019, 02:52:00 PM

I'd say that is very different to your glass :)  Look at the way the internal wall is made.
It might be a later example so worth exploring though.

But we would need a more robust reference anyway really for identification rather than attribution.

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Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: neil53 on July 25, 2019, 02:53:55 PM

Yes, I agree.  Also see https://www.ebay.com/itm/Extraordinary-Glass-Meyr-S-Neffe-Gold-Flower-around-1880-1900-Al397-/282952776620

Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: flying free on July 25, 2019, 02:57:51 PM

yes,similar kind of internal wall shape.

There is another on here (I think an older version similar internal wall shape to yours) under a thread entitled Zwischengold glass.

If you look on there you will see Ivo said he has one with a Czech politician in it. He dated it to c.1860.

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Title: Re: Panel cut beaker - gold and enameled base
Post by: flying free on July 25, 2019, 07:07:38 PM

Ivo's is here.  I think it has a glass disc covering the gilded base:

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55531.msg314682.html#msg314682

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