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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: jonspencer on August 01, 2019, 11:37:09 AM

Title: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: jonspencer on August 01, 2019, 11:37:09 AM
and is there some way to learn who made it?

it has a Murano label on the bottom

size: 8.5 x 8.5 x 4 inches
Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: chopin-liszt on August 01, 2019, 12:39:58 PM
I think the technique used to produce the thin swirly lines is called combing.
That term might help you with a search?
Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: catshome on August 01, 2019, 03:02:36 PM
I have something similar on another thread, without the white casing, and my searches suggested this type of bowl is referred to as biomorphic

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68410.msg380567.html#msg380567

I haven't followed up on Ardy's suggestion yet......it's on the list for the weekend.

Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: chopin-liszt on August 01, 2019, 03:40:36 PM
That's the overall shape of the bowl.  :)
It's reminiscent of amoebas.
Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: BDG55 on August 19, 2019, 10:46:57 PM
and is there some way to learn who made it?

it has a Murano label on the bottom

size: 8.5 x 8.5 x 4 inches

Your dish/bowl was made by Fratelli Toso.  I've included some examples of their bowls.  It's not possible to list every form nor color, but there's enough there to leave no doubt as to it being a FT piece.   Rick

https://postimg.cc/gallery/z2797c8m/
Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: ardy on August 20, 2019, 01:05:01 AM
Rick you may well be right but my concern is I think the label is a generic Murano label and FT used their own label.

Its in the label sticky at the top. http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=102&pos=83

I had a couple of examples similar to this but in different colours, they had to go to make way for A.Seguso!
Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: jonspencer on August 20, 2019, 12:12:09 PM
glad to hear it might be a Fratelli Toso

these bowls and vases tend to be far cheaper without any Murano stickers on them  ;D
Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: BDG55 on August 23, 2019, 06:36:25 AM
Rick you may well be right but my concern is I think the label is a generic Murano label and FT used their own label.

Its in the label sticky at the top. http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=102&pos=83

I had a couple of examples similar to this but in different colours, they had to go to make way for A.Seguso!


Yes Ardy, FT had their own labels, but it's not uncommon to find a piece bearing a second one as well. FT, in addition to their company label, affixed a second, "Made in Italy" or "Genuine Venetian Glass" type label on their export pieces to further identify them as Murano. Additionally, importers such as Gamer, Castle and J.I. Company, affixed their own labels, so finding a second label is not unusual. 

I've attached a pic of a some FT labels. The pair in the lower left, is an example of their use of two; one FT and one export, so it's very possible that your original label simply came off in the wash leaving only the generic.


https://postimg.cc/gallery/2gj270rli/


Now, with your piece having no FT label, you need to rely on other "markers" to help with attribution, and the form, colors, base detail (the horseshoe shaped applications) and pinwheel, "Starry Night" decor on your dish are all common FT design elements, so I feel confident that it's an authentic FT dish..

Although marked pieces are always preferable, with so many fake labels and signatures out there, you don't want to rely solely on a label or signature to ID a piece.

Here's a link to an article I wrote for Collectors Weekly dealing specifically with fake Chinese Murano labels...


https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/152009-murano-labels


Rick

Title: Re: what is the bowl design referred to?
Post by: jonspencer on August 23, 2019, 07:13:49 AM
good article

I feel there is no need to lay all the blame on Asian glass makers in China, Taiwan or Thailand........

there are a number of cheap similar looking to Murano copies being imported by actual Italian companies ordering from Asia