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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: michajoli on August 05, 2019, 04:16:41 PM
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Hi guys!
Any ideas around who (and when) made this vase?
My first idea was Moser, but the vase is not marked and also i could not find it in my Moser book.
It's 13,5cm high.
Regards
Micha
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I can't help with what it is I'm afraid, but I'm really interested. :)
I love it. ;D
It is really quite "brutal", isn't it?
The colour is something else, I do have a pressed piece which is that same, unusual colour - a deep cold steely blue with some warm purple edges in some lights.
We never found out what it is, and it's not in the same league as your vase, mine is just pressed.
There might be some leads in the long thread about it though, given we're looking at similar time periods, really sculptural pieces and the same very unusual colour.
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40718.0.html
It also reminds me a little bit of the famous "profile" glass sculpture of mussolini.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/2247
:)
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I can't help with what it is I'm afraid, but I'm really interested. :)
I love it. ;D
It is really quite "brutal", isn't it?
The colour is something else, I do have a pressed piece which is that same, unusual colour - a deep cold steely blue with some warm purple edges in some lights.
We never found out what it is, and it's not in the same league as your vase, mine is just pressed.
There might be some leads in the long thread about it though, given we're looking at similar time periods, really sculptural pieces and the same very unusual colour.
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40718.0.html
It also reminds me a little bit of the famous "profile" glass sculpture of mussolini.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/2247
:)
Hi Sue!
"Brutal" isn't the word that i would chose but i understand what you mean :-)
The first of your two links leads to a vase with the same colour, which in this thread is named "smokey dark blue" which is a good description for the glass colour i guess :-)
Regards
Micha
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That's my mystery pressed vase in the first link, which I think is the same unusual smoky dark blue colour as yours.
I felt that was very masculine and a little bit "brutalist". I get the same sort of feeling for your glorious beast - in spades. ;D
The colour is not a common one and I had wondered if it might help pin down some origins.
I felt my pressed vase came from some large manufacturer - moulds are very expensive to make, so it would have to come from somewhere with the resources to make moulds that did not neccessarily end up getting used terribly often - as other examples of my vase have been few and far between too.
A deep green one has been found. And I think one other.
Those thoughts led me to suspect, in general, Bohemian, Czech or Polish origins.
I'll have a dig around some books and see if I can come up with anything more.
I am more here because I want to hear what others say - I'm not up on this sort of area.
But I'd like to be. :)
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It's tantalisingly close to Josef Hoffmann pieces for Moser. I'm away from home at the moment, so no books and a rubbish internet connection. But it's a super piece and I look forward to finding out more!
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I'm not sure what to think of this re the signature, an older style one that's normally in cameo like this. The colour in a certain light, reminded me of a bleu-grey from VSL called bleu-Pompéi. This is one of the results, you need to click on view this lot' to see the images.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/20229827-val-st-lambert-faceted-steel-grey-blue-vase (https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/20229827-val-st-lambert-faceted-steel-grey-blue-vase)
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Thank you very much guys for your great help!!
And thank you Anne for your link! This VSL vase is exactly the same vase which i have here, so we have an ID now :-)
I wouldn't have thought i would get an ID so fast! Will now check some VSL websites ...
Kind regards
Micha
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Will now check some VSL websites ...
Not to discourage, but there's not much out there online. I went through the few catalogues that I have from the 30ies but found nothing, and I haven't come across this shape before. Having said that, they did some versions just for one catalogue and renewed it completely one or two years later. At the time pieces from the same mould got a new name with a different pattern, so if you find the shape, the name could be completely different. I also had a look at some signatures but haven't found this one yet.
Not everything at VSL was catalogued though and that's still the case today. I still come across pieces that i have never seen before, in person or in documentation, but have a look, maybe you'll have different search results at your end.
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Thanks again Anne for your thoughts and informations :-)
At the moment i am checking here:
https://www.pinterest.de/annetiquebe/
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That's me :D
Unfortunately, Pinterest have changed their rules and regulations and any info I have found and added to each image, is no longer visible except for the boardowner. If you see something that I might have forgotten about, just let me know and I'll tell you what I have on it, but I think that this model's not on it, I would have recognised it.
I can find the Lubo shape in your vase though, when you ignore the top two faceted rings. I need to have a good look.
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i just have to smile because a few seconds ago i had the idea that this pinterest site could be from you :-)
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And right you were ;D
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Ok, I was looking for something else, but this beauty just popped up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Midcentury-Modern-Bohm-Blue-Green-Teal-Crystal-Glass-Vase-Signed-BOHM-Kristal/312555131527?hash=item48c5bcd287:g:xqIAAOSw44BYIN3p
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Having had another look at the vase in the Catawiki link, I'm not sure about its signature, even though I believe a piece should never be judged on just that. I have once come across an engraved signature before, written as in the cameo style from +/- 1905 but can't remember the piece.
I have never seen a signature 'V st L', nor do I have any examples of it. Besides that, at VSL a diamond point signature wasn't used until the 40ies and this piece is earlier than that.
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Having had another look at the vase in the Catawiki link, I'm not sure about its signature, even though I believe a piece should never be judged on just that. I have once come across an engraved signature before, written as in the cameo style from +/- 1905 but can't remember the piece.
I have never seen a signature 'V st L', nor do I have any examples of it. Besides that, at VSL a diamond point signature wasn't used until the 40ies and this piece is earlier than that.
Hi Anne!
I understand, thank you! So the search goes on ...
Regards
Micha
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Ok, I was looking for something else, but this beauty just popped up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Midcentury-Modern-Bohm-Blue-Green-Teal-Crystal-Glass-Vase-Signed-BOHM-Kristal/312555131527?hash=item48c5bcd287:g:xqIAAOSw44BYIN3p
Hi Sue!
Thank you, very interesting! Having read Annes latest posting (concerning possible fake signatures) i think that this "Böhm. Kristal" could be a faked (and much later than production date added) signature. I guess Böhm. is meant as an abbreviation of böhmisch (bohemian).
Regards
Micha
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I didn't check all the images. Just posted the link when I found it, then went back to searching for what I was looking for. :-[
The mark doesn't look "right" does it? Why cut and polish something so beautifully, then add a rough, unsophisticated mark like that?
But the vase looks related. ;D
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... then add a rough, unsophisticated mark like that?
... that's why i think it could be faked by someone who thought he could ask for more money when selling it if it has a signature ...
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I'm not sure if it is a fake signature (the Böhm one) but correct me if I'm wrong, it's wheel cut right? I would have thought a fake signature would have been done with a Dremel. Daum for instance signed like this in the 20/30ies.
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Would be interesting to find out if other glass vases can be found online with this "Böhm.Kristal" signature. Or even better if it is not a fake signature, to find out the maker :-)
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I've had a good search through Google results and the only mentions of this BOHM KRISTAL signature in relation to glass are of the ebay one mentioned above on various ebay and related sites across the world.
There was a famous glass engraver called August Böhm (dates 1812–1890) (https://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095515585) but he was obviously not responsible for this piece as it's not engraved, and all his pieces normally carry a signature with his name, place and date, and the time-frame is wrong. This is the only other mention I've found with Böhm and glass/crystal connections.
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Thank you Anne for doing so :-)
I did not expext that other items could be found, so this ebay BÖHM. KRISTAL most probably is a fake and has nothing to do with my vase.
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Anne Tique is correct though, in saying Daum made "crude" marks like that.
I can remember being very confused on finding one a long time ago, on a blue flashed vase with art deco style owls cut on it. The glass looked right, the mark didn't. But it was. ;D