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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Nonoparmo on August 31, 2019, 01:29:51 PM

Title: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: Nonoparmo on August 31, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Hi All,
I'm hoping someone can help me identify this signed glass trumpet vase. I think it's a vintage Murano piece with a signature that I think says Cenedese. Also has a beautiful designed gilt band bordered with what looks like enamelled bordered design and stunning blue pedestal with gold foil.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: Nonoparmo on August 31, 2019, 04:10:53 PM
Finally managed to reduce the file sizes to post the pictures. Sorry for the delay
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: catshome on September 03, 2019, 12:01:06 AM
Hello and welcome.

Is the signature on the top of the foot?  Please post a picture of the full base, and let us have some measurements too.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 03, 2019, 04:25:00 PM
Under an image search using Cenedese, I found this signed compote, said to be by Gino Cenedese.
It does seem to be related to your goblet.
I haven't signed up to this auction house, so I can't see the details.  :)

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/66691532_gino-cenedese-murano-venetian-glass-compote-signed

Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: catshome on September 03, 2019, 05:51:55 PM
Signed, with a dedication dated 1990, on the underside of the foot, which is why I wondered about this piece. 
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 03, 2019, 06:13:21 PM
And the first name on the OP's piece is not Gino. It looks a bit like Fars-i, which is what I searched for.
Murano isn't my area. It's too big and confusing for me. :-[
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: catshome on September 03, 2019, 06:47:22 PM
I could buy Cenedese for the second word, so perhaps Nonoparmo needs to dig deeper into the history and see if any names pop up that start with F and end with i.  But I'm not completely convinced by the signature.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 03, 2019, 06:54:29 PM
It's always best to look at the glass itself. My own handwriting varies enormously, I seem to have a few different "styles". ;D
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: catshome on September 03, 2019, 07:48:46 PM
It was more the actual engraving......something about it didn't feel quite right.  I know some board members know more about different tools used over the years, and it may just be a feature of the tool used.  However, what look like hesitation marks on the F, and the missing/incomplete letters, together with the odd hyphen like mark before the last letter of the first name, make me wonder.  By comparison, the engraving on the piece on the auction website was very fluid.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: Nonoparmo on September 03, 2019, 09:10:40 PM
Hi Catshome and thank you for the welcome message. The signature is on the top of the foot. Do you want a picture of the top of the foot or the bottom of the foot?.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: Nonoparmo on September 03, 2019, 09:19:18 PM
Under an image search using Cenedese, I found this signed compote, said to be by Gino Cenedese.
It does seem to be related to your goblet.
I haven't signed up to this auction house, so I can't see the details.  :)

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/66691532_gino-cenedese-murano-venetian-glass-compote-signed

Thank you for your help with this and the blue is the same as is the gold twisted ball. My piece is larger than the goblet.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: Nonoparmo on September 03, 2019, 10:17:03 PM
Hello and welcome.

Is the signature on the top of the foot?  Please post a picture of the full base, and let us have some measurements too.
The height is 11.25" and it's 6.75" wide at the top.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: catshome on September 03, 2019, 11:52:39 PM
A picture of the full underside of the base would be great thank you.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: Nonoparmo on September 28, 2019, 11:37:41 AM
Hi, sorry it's been a while but here is a picture of the base as requested. It has some hard residue from felt pads that I removed from the base. I also got a large Murano Sommerso bowl from the lady that had the same felt pads to the base they were quite difficult to remove.
Title: Re: Large Murano?, Cenedese?. Signed gold, blue, red, clear enamelled? Trumpet vase
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 15, 2019, 02:50:03 AM
It could plausibly be a piece by Cenedese for a third party company. I've had some items in the past bearing 'Cenedese' + 'random name' - especially with lighting, where they provided the glass parts for lighting firms, but also a vase that was sold exclusively through a high-end Italian bathroom fittings company. I ended up not buying them, but I was once a little tempted by a small job lot of Cenedese bathroom sinks (with fantastic colourful spiral canes!) that I think also had this pattern of signing.

It will probably be from the 1990s at the oldest.