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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: KAVANY on September 19, 2019, 08:53:10 PM
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Kan iemand me meer informatie geven???
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nog enkele fotos hoogte is 23 CM DIAMETER 10 CM
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Hello and welcome. Thank you for posting such good photographs and dimensions. I hope someone will be able to help you with an identification.
Hallo en welkom. Bedankt voor het plaatsen van zulke goede foto's en afmetingen. Ik hoop dat iemand je kan helpen met een identificatie.
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Hi and welcome :)
I think it is more likely to be Bohemian 19th century - maybe mid/second half 19th century?
Possibly Harrach.
m
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OK THANKS FOR THE INFO
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You are welcome :)
Actually I think it might be more mid 19th century.
I would need to get some books out over the weekend and have a good look through to see if I can find any reference sources for you.
m
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What a beautiful piece.....the etching is just lovely!
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this doesn't appear to be flashing, might it be wheel engraved rather than etched? perhaps KAVANY will tell us. :) - but certainly a great piece, and am I reading correctly - 9 inches tall?
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Paul it is wheel engraved not etched.
It's not flashed.
It is cased clear over ruby glass.
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thanks m - I can see (I think) that the 'stem' is clear over ruby, but my eyes seemed to be telling me the bowl was the opposite - such that the engraving was creating a clear image - but I'm wrong then? :) I thought, typically, that colours were cut to clear to create a 'white' appearance to the engraved decoration.
It must just be that the matte surface reflects light differently and gives an illusion of whiteness, with this piece.
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Hi Paul
Well I could be wrong not having it to look at in real life :-[
But to me it looks like clear over red and yes, it has what I think of as a beautiful effect. I prefer those engraved clear over colour rather than colour to clear. The engraving is really good and I think quite deep but the effect is subtle and sophisticated (imo), precisely because it's not 'showing up' as clear out of red surround. I don't see that many of these (clear over colour engraved) because I guess the colour over clear showed off the engraved design better. The ones I think I notice/recall seem to have been amber but I'd need to have a good look around this weekend to see if I can find examples/references.
Covering all bases here and excusing myself for being wrong before it turns out I am ;D, it could also be that the red of the back wall of the goblet is making it appear red and it may well be colour over clear. But it doesn't look like it to me from the photos.
I also think the central lens at the back might have been where some initials may have been engraved for example. So a celebration type goblet. This one is plain lenses though so possibly never purchased from the maker perhaps? Or maybe they buyer just decided no extra engraving, perhaps it was just purchased because it's quite big and beautifully engraved and a lovely thing.
If it were mine I would be starting to look 1840s/1850s and work from there. I could be many years out of course but that's where my instinct would tell me to start looking - because it's clear over colour, the red, the foot, the way the merese on the stem is cut.
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;D take your word for all the techie stuff m. I've never collected these Continental pieces where engraving was a predominant part of the decoration, though of course seen many on the screen, in books and in passing at fairs etc. - also the good stuff probably beyond the depths of my pocket.
I just had this notion, from the little interest I had taken, that most of the good pieces were overlaid/cased with whatever colour - such that when the engraving was finished, and the colour removed, the image was highlighted by showing clear glass only - cut to clear as the buffs say.
This piece made for decoration only I'd suggest, but whatever, can't be easy making an id unless a named exact duplicate can be found.
I wonder if our expert lady in Belgium might have some thoughts, in view of the VSL suggestion?
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I'm pretty sure it's Bohemian not Belgian Paul. Always open to correction though of course.
And giving it a date or at least a tightish time frame wouldn't be that difficult from someone (not me, I'm not an expert, although this is my period of collecting and interest) who is very knowledgeable about Bohemian glass 19th century. It has lots of identifying factors. The colour, the clear over red, the foot and merese and the way they are cut, and the design and quality of the engraving.
I haven't time to go through my books and resources at the moment but pretty sure a reference would be found.
m