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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: silver stain on October 03, 2019, 08:00:24 AM
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Could be Murano for sure ? ???
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Please post a picture of the base.
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here you are the base ;D and another one pic inside the vase ( sorry for my Englih ::) I'am Italian.
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One more photo :)
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How tall is your piece? It appears similar to this piece attributed to AVeM
https://www.antique-connect.ch/contents/de-ch/p666_Blaue_Vase_von_Dino_Martens_für_AVEM_um_1960.html
Mod: The link above does not work for me - might be my ancient computer and browser that are a problem. The link below (a simple copy of the url from the target page) does work but has odd code for the umlaut over the "u" in "fur"in the url!
https://www.antique-connect.ch/contents/de-ch/p666_Blaue_Vase_von_Dino_Martens_f%C3%BCr_AVEM_um_1960.html
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:-* almost 29 cm ....t :-*hanks a lot for your help ! grazie !
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Hello and good evening
Dino Martens never worked for Avem. This was raised from Judith Miller, but this mistake spread like a virus.
Maybe the vase is from Avem or from Dino ( I doubt) but both not.
At EBay 100dreds of Rest of the day or tutti fruity vases are sold from Dino, but they are all only Avem. I‘ve got one as well, nice but not Dino Martens.
I had a book from the libary about Dino Martens expensive like hell, so I don‘t own it, but there they speak about this one mistake in Judith Millers Book.
In Germany millions of children had to eat spinach because 50 years ago a chemist set the point wrong in the amount of iron. Since that day spinach is said is containing lot of iron... wrong not more the cabbage. :'( , but it is tastier ;)
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quote ….. "but there they speak about this one mistake in Judith Millers Book." Only one? - I'd suggest there are definitely more, though have to admit we don't know which book we're speaking of - I don't think glass was J.M. forte - it was Andy McConnell who fronted the glass volume I used to own.
Not sure I prefer Spinach over cabbage - red cabbage is good ;)
Silver Stain - your English is very good we don't have a problem understanding you :)
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I should have been clearer that the link was a starting point for a possible AVeM attribution for this piece, rather than suggesting it was a Dino Martens piece. I usually add that no reference was given for the attribution, so more digging needed. sorry I missed that off this time.
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Sorry is write in Italian but very interesting ....beautiful Dino Martens sketches !! :)
http://archivi.cini.it/centrostudivetro/archive/IT-CSV-GUI001-000004/dino-martens.html
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However I know that Dino Martens was use to work for AVEM several Years..... Monday I will tell you exactly when...... ;)
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translation for part of Silver Stain's link reads …………
""In the dino Martens fund are preserved 345 design drawings made for the glasswork Aureliano Toso of Murano, ordered chronologically and following the model number. In addition, several sets of drawings relating to the same project are collected in specific series. Among the many archived projects are those of the glass that participated in important exhibitions, such as the International Art Biennale and the Bevilacqua La Masa Foundation in Venice, as well as the Milan Triennale.""
and your English is already improving - vastly :) waiting with anticipation for Monday :)
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Thank you for that fantastic link! :)
m
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I found also the real AVEM label ...but I didn't found yet where to show it in this site .... ???
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you might look here - not sure if this label already exists in the GMB archives ...…...….
https://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=102
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Thank You very much Paul ! Actually there is not the right label for AVEM other there , so can be useful to put the correct one. Anyway I know for sure that normally in that glass furnace they were use do not put label at all only a funny tiny piece of white paper with a little frame.
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https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28370.msg154262.html#msg154262 (https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28370.msg154262.html#msg154262)
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Regarding the AVEM label shown by member "silver stain", I have added this to the "Murano Labels 101" album in the GlassGallery. See Paul's post above for a direct link to the album.
Silver stain, you said:
Actually there is not the right label for AVEM other there , so can be useful to put the correct one.
Do you mean that both labels shown in the GlassGallery image at this link (https://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1891) are not true AVEM labels. If so, could they simply be general export labels applied to AVEM items?
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For me are not AVEM label at all. However I send the two etichette / label to a person who can speak directly with family descent AVEM furnace.
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Ok I've got the answer..... the round one at the right-hand side, red one used to be put like a generic label also in AVEM furnace but the other one on the left hand side is unknown label ....! In attachment pics of the old tiny label original often used in AVEM furnace .. :)
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I would like to answer to "blueoctopus",... I know I found some information on web glass site about Dino Martens very funny and not true .
But I believe to a real Murano Italian old glass man born in 1929 (che ha conosciuto direttamente di persona Dino Martens) [Mod: English - who met Dino Martens directly in person] so for direct knowing : Dino Martens started to work in SALIR (ditta di Murano che realizzava incisioni su vetro) [Mod: - English: Murano company that made glass engravings] after about 1935 he was use to work in AVEM until the war 1939.
After he worked for Aureliano Toso ( but was really friends of Ferro brothers so always keep with them a sort of collaboration ). Bizantino glass vase etc are made in AVEM furnace ;D (sorry for the strange english )
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I just wanted to thank you for adding such detailed and interesting information :)
m
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Silver Stain, I would be very grateful to know whether you might have any thoughts on my lamp base linked to in this thread here please,if you have time to look? It has a label on the base but it isn't the same as the AVEM label. I had hoped :)
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38906.msg215007.html#msg215007
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Hi / Ciao Flying free , I would like to suggest you to put attention expecially to the effect gold in order to discover who made it your item.
Coud be useful to post a detail of the effect gold and also of the part where the electrical line go in....
I speak about gold effect becouse also silver can looks like gold with the right treatment and becouse every furnace has got different skill to work and several secret with gold and silver we can arrive to a point :)
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Ciao e grazie
I've added two more photos here. I am not sure they help but I do think the leaf is gold.
Any assistance is gratefully received. :)
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38906.msg383098.html#msg383098
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