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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on November 08, 2019, 04:08:07 PM
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Unless anyone jumps in and requests I desist, the idea is to list all of the Jobling Designs Registered during the above period together with images taken from the original Company photographs now held at TNA, Kew.
Some items are common and no doubt have appeared on the GMB a number of times - others vastly less so.
So, starting at the beginning with Rd. Nos. 777133 and 777134 both first Registered on 29th September 1932 - with corresponding Jobling catalogue Nos. 5000 and 6000. Both Registrations were extended for one additional period of five years - thus both expired on 29th September 1942.
The sequence is chronological and follows Baker & Crowe, to whom of course much credit is due via their 'A COLLECTOR'S GUIDE TO JOBLING 1930s DECORATIVE GLASS' - Tyne and Wear County Council Museums Publication. As always sincere thanks to the Trustees and Directors of The National Archives at Kew for their continued help and permission to photograph Registration archives.
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Good work Paul
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thanks Christine. Will take a while to gather images of all 62 designs for which there are Reg. Nos., and whether I ever find those designs which are without a Reg. No. remains to be seen.
Here are the next three in the sequence …………
780717 (Jobling catalogue No. 7000) - 780718 (catalogue No. 9000) - 780719 (catalogue No. 8000) …………. all Registered on 17th February 1933, and all extended for one additional period of five years, so expiring on 17th February 1943. Two images will flip over to the next post.
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and the last of these three - Reg. 780719 ……...
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Thank you, Paul. Well done and much appreciated.
With your permission, I will add these to the GMB RD database in due course, and they are, of course, important source material for Jobling collectors.
Fred.
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by all means Fred - please feel free to add to the GMB data base - it's a project that I think is going to take some substantial time to complete.
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Thank you Paul, this is going to be such a valuable resource for the board.
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Two further items - Nos. 787871 - 72, both first Registered on 15th November 1933 and both extended for one additional period of five years - so expiring on 15th November 1943.
Rd. 787871 (Jobling design No. 11000) - Lambton bowl in Bird pattern
Rd. 787872 (Jobling design No. 10000) - Lambton bowl in Rose pattern - unfortunately, a very poor photograph about which I can do really nothing to improve - perhaps if someone has this bow they might add a good picture.
In common with a few of the factory's other bowl designs, the above two patterns are described occasionally as 'lighting' items - so assume they may have been used as domestic electric light bulb shades, suspended from the ceiling rose - such ornamentation was common in the 1940 - 1950 period.
You can see the very obvious Lalique inspiration in some of these designs - especially the opalescent forms, and according to Baker & Crowe, moulds for the two designs for the large 'Lambton' bird and rose bowls were being made in France - they don't say specifically that the mould maker was M. Etienne Franckhauser, but he is known to have made plaster moulds for some of Jobling's designs.
Will someone explain please the origin of the word 'Lambton', used to describe these two designs - I've trawled the books but drawn a blank :)
P.S. first hiccup - in the list there is a water set and ashtray that come immediately before these two ……. will do next, and trust not too much confusion.
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Nice photo of the Lambton Rose bowl RD 787872 at
https://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-10708
of a ceiling light in the same pattern at
https://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-18066
and
https://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-18065
plus some from my own reference photos below.
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yes, they're v.g. pix - thanks for posting - assume you don't know the reason for the use of the word Lambton?
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Registration 783048 dated 12.05.1933 - 'Lozenge pattern Water Set - factory catalogue No. 4050.
Registration 785479 dated 03.08.1933 - 'Ashtray' - factory catalogue No. 2538.
Both items covered by the standard initial Board of Trade five year Design Protection - apparently neither item extended beyond the initial five years, so expiry was 12.05.1938 and 03.08.1938 respectively.
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Your assumption is correct, Paul - I have absolutely no idea.
Fred.
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I've always thought that the Lambton name comes from the Lambton family and their estate in County Durham: see also the legend of the Lambton Worm.
Regarding the rose patterned bowls, the smaller diameter variant is somewhat different in both proportions and detail than the larger catalogued table/ lighting bowl. I'm not sure if they were considered the same design as the smaller version is not shown in the catalogues and none of the copies I've handled have the registration number (though many have the moulded 'REGN. APPLIED FOR' text).
Opalique example of the larger rose bowl:
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You may well be correct Steven regarding the origin of the name - I scanned the various acknowledgements and credits references in Baker & Crowe without seeing the name, but eyes aren't what they used to be. Also made cursory view of the bowl design on the web, but nothing obvious.
thank you for including a photo of the larger opalique rose bowl - very attractive item.
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Lambton is a village near Washington, in Tyne and Wear. Whether the village name predates the estate name, or took its name from it, I can't tell. 8) The Lambton family were certainly one of the wealthiest in that area, so naming a design after them would make sense. More about the Lambton Worm here (https://community.dur.ac.uk/reed.ne/?page_id=2322).
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thanks Anne - a good suggestion and you may well be correct. Just a shame that those who might have known the answer have long since departed, and maybe we'll never know for certain.
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Here are the first of the 'Opalique' statuettes - not easy to photograph - don't think I can do any better ……….. both of these Registrations are dated 8th December 1933, and protection for both designs expired on 8th December 1943
Registration 788542 - fish statuette - Jobling catalogue No. 10100
Registration 788543 - lovebirds statuette - Jobling catalogue No. 10200
Baker & Crowe indicate that original plaster models for both items are known to have been made by Mr. Etienne Franckhauser, and this was the case for something like a total of 28 different Jobling designs. Have to assume this person was French, so unsure quite why Baker & Crowe should use the personal title of Mr. when correctly I would have thought it should be M. for Monsieur - if I have misunderstood something there do please shout.
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These two are knife rests - described as carver rests - and the first of them, No. 790338, is indicated by Baker & Crowe as another item where Etienne Frankhauser made the original plaster model. Both items first Registered on 15th February 1934, and both expired on 16th February 1944.
Registration 790338 - hare carver rest - Jobling catalogue No. 10300
Registration 790339 - squirrel carver rest - Jobling catalogue No. 10400 - obviously I had the DTs when snapping the first picture - chronically blurred - but the blown up version makes up for this, I hope, and no, I don't know whether it's supposed to be a grey or red squirrel. ;)
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Paul, thanks very much for compiling this list: as a Jobling collector, it's great to see these original registration details.
I'm wondering whether we need another thread for unregistered designs and non-catalogued variants, or whether they could be added to this thread? Already by Autumn of 1933, the B1 Lambton vase, the 2541 figure and the fir cone vase had been launched -- presumably the flower pattern vase was also available around this time, though it appears much rarer than the already scarce fir cone vase. There was also a mid sized version of the 5000 fir cone crimped plate with a central reinforcing ring allowing the piece to be drilled and screwed to a metal foot (always seem to be in green glass with a satin finish), as well as a salad drainer in 6000 Flower pattern with a different base incorporating three holes and a separate underplate with a more dished profile than the usual plate form. In addition there are also known variants of the 7000 bird bowl which aren't shown in catalogues: a plate with 3 crimps round the edge, a plate with 5 crimps, and a flanged (flared) variant.
Steven
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I'm probably not the best qualified to answer your question Steven - perhaps the Mods. might comment as to whether they consider a split in the thread - between the non-Registered plus variants, and the Registered items as currently appearing - will be an advantage.
Come to that others like yourself who will mostly benefit from this information might give feedback with their thoughts on your suggestion of a possible split.
The images I'm providing are obviously those from the main Baker & Crowe list and were designs Registered and presently held at TNA. I'm not a collector of Jobling - think I have only a single vase made by them - so I'm going to be useless when it comes to supplying images of non-Registered designs, and it would be up to collectors of Jobling to supply images of those non-Registered items and variants. I wouldn't foresee that as a problem, it's just that the work of uploading the pix would fall to others.
I had hoped that in trawling the Kew archives I might have stumbled on images - with accompanying Rd. Nos. - for those 17 or so designs for which Baker & Crowe indicate there isn't a known Registration No. - unfortunately, nothing found so far. So for these 17 designs we are going to need people to offer their own pix - you may already have some of course.
I really have no idea as to current collector popularity for this factory's output, and if we do go ahead and split the thread into Registered/non-Registered, you may find that the job falls to you almost exclusively if there's a lack of contribution from others. Assume in the light of your comments this would be o.k. for you Steven.
So - let's see what opinion others with a Jobling interest might prefer to see - comments welcome. :)
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Hi Paul, I was meaning to volunteer to start such a thread as I have photos of several (but not all) of the less well documented designs and variants.
I'll look through and see what I have then get the thread going by the end of the week.
Best wishes,
Steven
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ah, me being thick, again - sorry I didn't cotton on. I really don't see the slightest problem with us working in tandem - your contributions will complete work that I'm entirely unable to help with. Please go ahead :)
Presently I have images of another c. thirty Registered designs to up-load - just a case of finding the time to edit and re-size etc.
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Regs. Nos. 792167 and 792168 - two designs for bowls and both first Registered on 21st April 1934. For whatever reason Board of Trade design protection appears not to have been extended beyond the initial period of five years, and both expired on 21st April 1939. In fact almost all designs Registered from April 1934 onward appear to lack any protection beyond the initial five year period - possibly WW II may have been the reason, as many factories were seconded for production of war related products.
To precis some of the Baker & Crowe text - which is mostly very obvious anyway when you look at the opalescent designs especially, the nod toward Lalique was a deliberate decision taken by Jobling, since French opalescent glass was very successful commercially at home and in the U.K.
Other factories from the 1920s and '30s such as Etling and Sabino were also producing the stuff, and there's no doubting that opalescent pressed glass was one of those art deco successes that remains popular after all these years.
Reg. 792167 - spider web bowl - Jobling catalogue No. 2567
Reg. 792168 - jazz bowl - Jobling catalogue No. 2568.
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Nos. 794903 and 794904 first Registered on 21st July 1934, with expiry on 31st July 1939 - the factory Registered six new designs on this date - and these are the first two of this group. Baker & Crowe indicate that plaster models for these first two designs in the group were made by M. Etienne Frankhauser.
Registration 794903 - bird and corn vase - Jobling catalogue No. B3
Registration 794904 - fish vase - Jobling catalogue No. B2
There are three pix for each of these two Registrations, so the last two pix will be extended over to the next post.
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the final pix for 794904 ……….
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Two more designs from 21st July 1934, and again both were made originally as plaster models by M. Etienne Frankhauser, and both had a design protection of only five years. No idea as to quantity made of any designs - as Steven commented recently some models are very rare - others such as fir cone bowls for example, seem to be reasonably common so must assume those made in greater quantity.
Registration 794905 - butterfly and panel vase - Jobling catalogue No. 11300
Registration 794906 - two-handled rose pattern vase - Jobling catalogue No. 11200
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Hi Paul and Steven,
With my Moderator hat on, my view about separate threads for Registered and Unregistered designs is that separate threads will be the simplest way to go. We (Mods) could also at a convenient time promote the two threads to "Sticky Status" and add a brief note for cross-referencing if needed.
But I will ask the "boss Mod" if she concurs. ;D
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here are the final two designs from 21st July 1934 - original plaster models made by M. Etienne Frankhauser, and BoT protection for five years.
Reg. 794907 - bird and panel vase (the bird appears less than easy to see in the photograph) - Jobling catalogue No. 11400.
Reg. 794908 - oval jardiniere - Jobling catalogue No. 11100.
In fact I've decided to carry both pix for 794908 over to the next entry - saves splitting the images over two posts.
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Reg. 794908 - oval jardiniere - Jobling catalogue No. 11100.
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the next date for Jobling Registrations was 8th August 1934 when they submitted four new designs to the BoT,, two of which now follow, and according to Baker & Crowe neither was connected to M. Etienne Frankhauser in the way of a plaster prototype model. Both Registrations expired on 8th August 1939.
Both are described as salt cellars, and the original factory photograph held at Kew appears to show that both designs were made in 'Opalique', which doesn't photograph any easier now than it did in 1934.
Reg. 795459 - fox salt cellar - Jobling catalogue No. 10600
Reg. 795460 - hart salt cellar - Jobling catalogue No. 10610 I
It's either the poor quality of the original photo or my lack of skills, but very difficult to see the outline of the hart (apparently an archaic English word to describe a fully mature stag).
Perhaps if anyone has an example it will be very useful to add a better quality photo here. :)
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here are the remaining two designs from 8th August 1934, for which Franckhauser did in fact make the original plaster moulds. BoT protection expired on 8th August 1939 for both.
It's slightly confusing to say 'two' designs in this instance, since they both in fact carry the same Jobling catalogue No. of 11700, but there is a noticeable difference in appearance and they do have different Registration Nos. - so two it is then.
Registration No. 795461 - celery vase with straight sides
Registration No. 795462 - celery vase with flanged neck.
In other respects they appear to be identical (both designs have very Lalique looking handles) - that said I've never seen one in the flesh. and the factory catalogue page that Baker & Crowe have used shows only the straight version and makes no mention of alternative prices or sizes - so assume both types were 8" tall and same price for both.
I can't see an image of the flanged job anywhere in the booklet so would appear the authors either unable to find a picture or, equally possible I suppose, the factory might never have issued one.
There's a photograph in the booklet on page 16 - a reproduction of a snap taken at the British Industries Fair in 1939 - showing what I think is the straight sided model - I don't think it's the flanged version - perhaps Steven will know better on this one.
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Hi Paul,
I have a photo of the hart salt and will add it when I get back home (Fox salt added below). It seems the examples photographed for registration have not been satinised/ frosted -- this makes them much harder to photograph as they will show more reflections.
Regarding the 11700 celery, it's the straight variant which seems to be the rare one. I've had plenty of flanged examples but have never seen a straight sided version during my many years of collecting Jobling glass. I'll have a look at the photo in the book when I get back to see if it does appear to be a straight-sided version.
Speaking of flanged rims, I see the registration pics for the Bird & Panel vase show what appears to be the smaller (nominally 8 inch ) version and that the illustrated piece has a less widely flanged neck than most copies I've seen -- perhaps this explains the disparity between the catalogued dimensions (8 inches in height) and the real world measurements (~7 1/2 inches tall).
Below, Fox Salt Cellar, Flanged 11700 Celery Vase and smaller Bird and Panel Vase showing the typically flanged neck:
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Have checked and the 11700 vase shown on p. 16 of Baker and Crowe appears to be the flanged version (rim flares outwards at the top).
Some hopefully clearer photos of the Hart Salt Cellar: catalogue number 10600 (Regn. No. 795459 - this example doesn't have the number moulded in). To my eyes it looks more like an ibex/ mountain goat rather than a hart:
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many thanks for the additional pix Steven. Taking photographs, from the Kew archives, that show a level of contrast/definition that makes them fit for purpose for this thread, is often difficult. Glossy 1930s b. & w. snaps all too easily pick up glare from overhead lighting, and some even show glare that was captured when the original picture was taken, so your pix much appreciated.
Looking at my recent pictures from Kew, above, of the two celeries, they show what appear to be clear glass bases, though I've no idea what description you might give to the dark glass of the bodies.
Have to say I agree that visually it's unclear that the hart salt was in fact a stag - had M. Franckhauser modelled these salt cellars they might have looked more recognizable.
After I'd said the p. 16 picture showed a straight sided celery, I regretted my comment fairly quickly - the piece in question is a tad small within the overall image - anyway a flanged celery it is then.
There was a time I collected celeries, and looking back at my own archive pix there seems to be a general mix of straight sided and flanged-rim designs - so no idea why the former design from Jobling should be so rare.
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I think the 'hart' and fox salts are well modelled and quite likely by Franckhauser. The issue seems to be in the naming: this happens elsewhere with Jobling glass. The 'fir cone' pattern more closely resembles pine cones (at least the needles look piney), 'Tudor rose' is a stylised rose similar to that seen on glass by Ezan and other French makers and not a true Tudor rose. I suspect These French designs were (re)named in house to appeal to the British market.
Interestingly there is a French salt in a similar form to the fox and hart but depicting a cat. I don't recall the maker off the top of my head, but I think it's either Costebelle or Verlux.
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Two more designs - both dated 22nd August 1934 - original moulds for both indicated as having been made by M. Franckhauser.
Registration 795793 - elephant, one of Joblings 'Opalique Novelties' - 3.5 inches tall - factory catalogue No. 10700 - not quite in the same rarefied league as the B. & T. rose opalescent elephant posy-holder - but nonetheless a nice piece, and in 1934 you could have purchased a dozen of them for 60/- (pronounced 'sixty shillings') ……. £3.00 in today's money.
I don't think we have an image of the B. & T. elephant on the Board's archive, so will look for the original factory drawing/photo when I'm next at Kew.
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and the other design from 22nd August 1934 …...….
Registration 795794 - 'Jade Trinket Set' (this set may have been produced in Jade only - but unsure) …….. the tray size is 15.75" x 10.75", and there were two sizes of 'puff' jar apparently. Factory catalogue No. 12500
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would agree with Steven's comments regarding the 'hart' salt cellar (10610) Reg. 795460, insofar as the style of horns make for some resemblance to an Ibex. Having looked again at the factory catalogue page in Baker & Crowe, I've only just realized it appears that the initial idea looks to have been that the horns/antlers were intended to be in partial relief from the rest of the animal's head - the picture shows them mostly projecting out from the rest of the model.
I'd imagine disaster would have loomed very quickly had the model actually been made as such, which is possibly why the production pieces were made with the horns/antlers moulded in with the rest of the head. Might though have made the animal look more like a hart :)
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Although the trinket set is only catalogued in jade, it was also produced in tortoiseshell (unfrosted amber cloud glass).
See here on Chris and Val Stewarts' Cloud Glass site: http://cloudglass.com/Joblingcat.htm
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Here's the link to the Jobling 12500 trinket set on Anne's site:
https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/english/jobling/12500
Fred.
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thanks to both of you for the additional useful information - appreciated.
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September 1934 obviously a busy time for Jobling - they Registered nine new designs on the 6th of the month, and these were to be the last for that year. The group consists of Registrations Nos. 796181 to 189.
here is the first one ………….
Registration 796181 - open-footed vase - catalogue No. 11600
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Next one ………..
Registration 796182 - pickle jar - catalogue No. 2585
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next up …………..
Registration 796183 - celery vase - catalogue No. 11800 …………. the booklet indicates this one modelled originally - presumably in plaster - by M. Franckhauser.
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the next four items are all ashtrays - and according to the booklet it appears that only the kingfisher design wasn't modelled by Franckhauser.
All four Registrations are dated 6th September 1934, and it looks very likely that they were made in 'Opalique' finish only, with the option that the figures could be purchased as stand alone items rather than combined with an ashtray.
Registration 796184 - fish ashtray - catalogue No. 10500 ……………… this motif makes me think more of a dolphin (mammal) - an image that's been used for many centuries in glass and ceramic work, usually with tail up and big eyes and mouth - rather than a fish.
Jobling used the same motif on their candlestick catalogue No. 2599 - Registration 799627 - where they describe the item as a 'dolphin candlestick'.
Registration 796185 - parrot ashtray - catalogue No. 10520
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Here are the other two 'Opalique' ashtrays.
Registration 796186 - kingfisher ashtray - catalogue No. 10530
Registration 796187 - mouse ashtray - catalogue No. 10510 ………….. looking at the factory catalogue illustration of Jobling's 'mouse' on page 9 of Baker & Crowe, there is a substantial difference when compared with the actual glass model shown in the photo sent to the BoT - so suppose we must assume the original idea was considered un-lifelike, and changed. Unfortunately, I can't see a photo of a production glass example in the authors booklet - have to say the stylized drawing on page 9 look more like a squirrel or rabbit:-)
perhaps Steven can add something to these comments. thanks.
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my apologies, it seems I forgot to add pix of the parrot - Reg. 796185 …………. now attached.
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here is the last but one design from 1934.
Registration 796188 - fish salad bowl - catalogue No. 12000
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and the final design from 1934.
Registration 796189 - salad servers - catalogue No. 2584
It's possible that this design may have been available in flint only - but others may have more accurate information - though it's interesting to see that the BoT picture shows what appears as an opaque looking material.
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moving into 1935, there was a flourish of new designs amounting to ten in January alone, and looking at the photos sent to the BoT, many of these show what appear to be examples made in plaster, which is likely to suggest these were models created by M. Franckhauser. The only exception to this looks to have been the first entry which is the honey jar - catalogue No. 2592 - as below, and Baker & Crowe don't include this item as having a Franckhauser connection.
The original factory photo used in Jobling's glossy catalogue shows an example of this pattern, in amber, together with an under tray and spoon. I can't find either the tray or spoon in the Kew archive pix relating to this Registration.
Reading the text to the factory catalogue, the tray and spoon are listed separately - eight old pennies if you wanted the spoon alone - and both the spoon and tray are given the single catalogue No. 2610. Baker & Crowe list this catalogue No. for the spoon and tray as one of the seventeen items in the Jobling catalogues for which a Registration No. remains unknown.
Not so sure you'd instinctively call this container a 'jar', but a jar is certainly the factory's terminology.
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next up ………..
Registration 799626 - flat leaf-pattern candlestick - factory catalogue No. 2594 - this may have been another of the 'Opalique' only designs, certainly the booklet doesn't indicate any other colour or material, although the image here presumably shows a plaster model only.
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and onward …………
Registration 799627 - dolphin candlestick - factory catalogue No. 2599.
the 'dolphin' as a motif had a good run for it's money adorning various pressed glass designs, though mainly in the C19 - it appears on some very well known Sowerby and Davidson items - some designs were Registered, others weren't, and some were almost comical. I'm not sure if the Heppel Registrations were dolphins or fish.
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continuing with 23rd January 1935 …….
Registration 799628 - seahorse statuette - factory catalogue 10710 - the factory catalogue appears to show that this item was made in 'Opalique' only.
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again from 23rd January 1935 ……..
Registration 799629 - double fish statuette - factory catalogue No. 10740. Available in 'Opalique' and flint.
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yet more from 23rd January 1935 …………
Registration 799630 - bear bookends - factory catalogue No. 10760 - available, says the factory catalogue, in flint and amber.
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next up ………..
Registration 799626 - flat leaf-pattern candlestick -
Is that a thistle???
Carolyn
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Interestingly the production versions of the flat leaf-pattern candlesticks have a raised rim that is missing from the plaster model.
Re. the double fish colours, I have an amber example but I don't know if this was regular production, or a trial piece or special order. The double fish is very rare and most examples I've seen seem to have some damage to the tail...
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I'd suggest that when it comes to artistic representations of real things, there is a tendency to stylize the appearance, frequently. It's a natural consequence in art - real is a tad boring, so we create images with a bit more fancy and phantasy - somehow they look better - generally art is more concerned with our emotion than accuracy.
My opinion is that I don't think the leaf-pattern candlestick is meant to be interpreted as thistle related, though agree it does give a slight nod in that direction when viewed quickly - but I could be wrong. I'm rather a philistine when it comes to accuracy of plant related pix, but the appearance of the leaves might suggest acanthus or perhaps chrysanthemum, but again it may just be a stylized something - I thought the top bit that holds the candle reminded me of a tulip flower head. :-\
thanks for the additional pix and information Steven - you have some exceptional and very desirable glass. Are you having any success with the un-Registered items?
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here are the last four from January 1935 - Registrations Nos. 799631 - 799634 ……. spread over four separate posts.
Registration 799631 - seal statuette - factory catalogue No. 10750 - in 'Opalique' and flint.
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Registration 799632 - crinoline lady ornament - factory catalogue No. 2597.
on page 29 of their booklet, Baker & Crowe show this lady, in pink, standing in the centre of what the factory described as a 'bowl' supported on a black glass plinth. This combination of table centre piece of figure, bowl, frog and plinth, was a common design seen in many guises throughout the years between the wars and from several countries, though now not so many remain as full sets. Bowls and plinths are now seen often on their own.
Jobling's factory catalogues don't give sizes, so I've no idea of the dimensions etc. for this item, but it's interesting to see that in the list of Jobling's Registered designs in the booklet, these authors relegate this 'bowl' to the status of 'dish', which might indicate that it's an item smaller than Jobling's usual bowl size.
A slightly surprising oddity is the fact that whilst the lady you see in the BoT photo, attached, was a design Registered on 23.01.1935, the dish - which carries a separate catalogue No. 2596, was a design not lodged with the BoT until 30.03.1935, and carries the Registration 801662.
As with other 'component' designs, it appears that parts could be purchased separately, though had you bought the lady in January '35 you would have waited for the dish for a couple of months. At what stage in this timing the block and plinth were introduced I've no idea.
How the block sat in the dish I can't visualize - the factory catalogue image used in the booklet appears not to show the block, but it might just be the perspective used that means it's out of sight- it could be hiding in the bottom of the dish. I've no idea of the true colour of the 'dark lady' in picture No. 3 - sets were apparently issued in green, blue, amber and pink, satin finish.
I don't presently have a picture of the dish to show and I'm trying not to get designs out of numerical sequence, so it will need to wait until later this week when I'm back at Kew.
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Registration 799633 - butterfly statuette - factory catalogue No. 10720. Available in 'Opalique' and flint, in satin finish.
possibly in a similar way to Steven's comments about the double fish motif and the frequent loss of parts of the extremities, this butterfly looks to be another candidate for potential damage - but a nice piece.
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and the final item from January 1935 ……..
Registration 799634 - bear statuette - factory catalogue No. 10730. Again, 'Opalique' and flint, in satin finish.
I've no idea what the lead pencil marks were intended for in the second picture - it looks to be the case that the legs and infill were intended to be a solid moulded part of the design - some quality models of pressed glass animals do allow for the item to stand on legs only.
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Hi Paul,
The bowl for the crinoline lady is pretty large -- not obviously smaller than the typical float bowls that come with the 2541 figure. There is no separate block, the lady sits directly in the bowl as I recall.
Sadly I have neither the lady nor the bowl, However, there are some great pictures of the set on Black Poppy's site here:
http://www.black-poppy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2012_08_16_0707.jpg
http://www.black-poppy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2012_08_16_0710.jpg
http://www.black-poppy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2012_08_16_0711.jpg
Note that the plinth for this set differs from the more common type. while the overall shape is the same, this has a raised centre which the bowl sits over. The common type has a raised rim which the foot rim of the bowl sits within.
Re. the unregistered designs, I'm working on getting the list together but it's taking longer than I anticipated. I'm also having trouble finding photographs of some pieces as they were on my old computer whose hard drive has since failed... I have some on Flickr which I hoped to re-download, but now I'm in China I'm having difficulty accessing that site.
Will have something up this week though :)
Steven
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Hi Steven - thanks as always for the informative input and pictures - Black Poppy's glass is very attractive in the satin finish, and would assume then that this is a very rare set.
Apologies if my earlier comments weren't thought of as being of a pushy nature - just wondering how you might have been progressing - anything you are able to add will be very welcome, and there's no rush whatsoever - I shall probably be ticking on with this subject for a week or two yet.
I'm hoping to be at TNA later this week if possible, failing which next, when I hope to find the remaining sixteen items from the Baker & Crowe list of Registered designs.
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Registration 799881 dated 02.02.1935 - "Three Graces" comport - Jobling catalogue No. 2593. The booklet shows an example in blue, and states that it was also available in green, amber and pink. The original factory photo - showing here - appears to show a clear example which possibly doesn't give as good an idea of the detail of the ladies as the coloured version might.
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Registration No. 800439 - dated 19.02.1935 - Jobling catalogue No. 12000. Unlike me, the observant will notice this design carries the same factory catalogue No. as an earlier design, which was the salad bowl - fish pattern - Registration 796188 from the previous year.
The motif is indeed the same - a stylized swimming fish that has a sort of prehistoric look.
It appears that this recurrence of the same catalogue No. happens two or three times during the entire period of Jobling's manufacture.
In the world of pressed glass in the second half of the C19 it wasn't uncommon for a factory to Register a new decoration/shape, and then produce a variety of other shapes (a suite) all of which in some way would incorporate an element of the original decoration which appeared on the first Registered shape, avoiding the need to Register all subsequent shapes. This was obviously acceptable to the BoT, provided that subsequent designs carried the identical decoration - probably a money saving exercise.
Having said that, this practice looks to have ceased in the C20 - for example, from 1921 onward for many years, Stuart apparently registered a variety of different shapes within the same Stratford Rings suite, not seeming to use the advantage of the initial 'rings' design as anchor for all subsequent shapes. Perhaps there's something I'm missing in this work practice which would explain why the Victorian habit ceased.
Baker & Crowe show a single example of this vase, in 'Opalique' - satin finish, though the factory catalogue image is poor in terms of contrast - quite what the BoT photo, below, is showing I'm not sure - it looks like a clear body with only the fish in opalescent?
Not an easy photo to photograph - a lack of adequate contrast in the original picture doesn't help, but this is the best I can do - perhaps Steven can offer a better picture.
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More pics of the 12000 Ribbon Fish Vase below. The example registration photo looks not to have been satinised. The 1935 catalogue only lists opalique satin finish, however, I have a non-satinised version which was discussed here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,59707.msg337247.html#msg337247 (more pics in thread).
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thanks for the additional pix and information Steven, it is an attractive design and I can understand the multiple purchases.
To continue ………………… Registration 800440 dated 19.02.1935 - posy vase - Jobling catalogue No. 2595 - and according to factory records available in flint, green, amber and clear.
A rather longer post coming up tomorrow, which others will hopefully contribute to.
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Just to add, the 2595 was also made in blue: I have an early blue example (engraved 'Regn. applied For' mark), as well as an unusual, seemingly later, example which has a blue satin finish which appears that it might have been sprayed on (will have to examine it more closely).
The design was offered in 3 sizes which have different pattern numbers (will have to check Baker & Crowe later as I don't recall the pattern number of the 8-inch version), the largest of which is described as 10 inches in diameter and is catalogued as no. 2621.
There is some variation with the rim on these. The versions with 'Regn. Applied For' marks that i've seen all have flat, horizontal rims. however, many later production examples have rims which are turned down to some extent. I've even owned one with a weird wavy rim but I think that was a frigger or experimental piece as I've never seen another.
I've had green unmarked examples (no regn. no.) which were in non-uranium glass, suggesting that they may have continued to be made post-war.
2621 10 inch posy in uranium green with matching frog:
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These last two Reg. Nos. - 800439/40 - appear in Baker & Crowe, also in The Glass Association Blue Book, which is what you'd expect for decorative glass designs, and occasional cross-referencing between these two sources can sometimes be useful in order to confirm Reg Nos. and the relevant Registrant.
There are perhaps another dozen or so Jobling design Registrations, which appear in the Blue Book - from the '30s and mid '40s - but which aren't included in the autthors' list of decorative glass items - and in fact there are two items in Baker & Crowe from '46 and '47 which come after the closing date of the Blue Book.
Obviously the compilers of the Blue Book included every item of whatever nature provided it was glass related (BoT CLASS 3), and appear not to have made any distinction between aesthetically decorative glass and humble Shippams paste pots. Occasionally they slipped up and glass items are known to have been omitted from the Blue Book due to being placed in the wrong CLASS. Generally, Jobling Rd. Nos. that occur in the Blue Book only are doubtless not decorative glass in the sense we understand, since this factory produced many designs for domestic and commercial lighting, and none of those appear in Baker & Crowe, who seem to have been methodical and accurate when making the distinction between decorative glass and lighting designs - in fact their own list is described as for ' ...... decorative glass designs'.
However, coming back to the above two Rd. Nos. - and for those who have both publications - there is an apparent anomaly insofar as Baker & Crowe show only those two Reg. Nos. for 19.02.1935, whereas the Blue Book shows five Nos. for the same date - 800439/43 - so, for whatever reason the last three Nos. in the sequence aren't included on the Baker & Crowe list - and having now seen the missing Nos. can confirm they aren't lighting items. It's a known feature of Jobling's catalogue numbering system that one or two designs were repeated, on different shapes occasionally, though such few examples look to have always been given individual Reg. Nos. - for example cat. No. 12000 for the fish motif.
Is the absence of these Nos. from their list a deliberate act by Baker & Crowe - who were aware of them, but considered earlier Registration didn't warrant repeating the design? Or might it have been the utility appearance that meant they didn't qualify as decorative glass? or some element of both? - but I'd suggest that most of us would consider it necessary that all Reg. Nos. should be included to avoid this sort of confusion.
The Blue Book wasn't published until some eleven years after the Jobling museum catalogue, though Baker & Crowe do acknowledge the Registers of Designs (The Patent Office - London) in their list of source material, so we might assume they had seen that 19th February 1935 contained five separate Registrations.
Here are details of the three Reg. Nos. from 19.02.1935, not included in the Baker & Crowe list:-
Reg. 800441 - a style of double dish, perhaps intended for nibbles/bon bon/peanuts - it looks to have some opalescence in the centre. I could be very wrong, but this design doesn't appear to have any precedent amongst Jobling's other designs?
Reg. 800442 - a lidded jar with identical criss-cross pressed pattern which matches Jobling's catalogue No. 2583 - the 'salad bowl' from Registration 805376 dated 10.08.1935.
Reg. 800443 - again we're back to the pressed three-footed salad bowl catalogue No. 2583, and I don't see any apparent difference between this image and 805376, so I'm wondering if 800443 might just be Registering the similar footed milk jug showing in the same photo, rather than the salad bowl.
Interesting to see how the original photographer has tried to improve contrast by filling the cavities with either black or white paper, though I'm not sure it really helps. Pix attached for all three missing Registrations. Does anyone have examples to show of the double dish for nibbles, or the milk jug?
Appreciate there are others here who have collections of Jobling and are better informed as to production details - so look forward to their input and comments on this matter - thanks:-)
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My 2583 is very small for a salad bowl, though quite generous for sugar, as was the way then http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_jobling_salad_2583.jpg
Perhaps it came in two sizes
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yes, perhaps it did - there are a few of Jobling's bowls that did in fact come in more than one size. I'm not sure what 'very small' constitutes with your bowl - the original factory blurb quotes one size of 7.5" x 5.25", which sounds a tad large for a sugar bowl, but compared to the fish salad bowl (cat. 12000) which is 11" x 4.5", then yes the footed job is a bit small for salad.
Is your example uranium Christine.
No doubt Steven will enlighten us, hopefully, as to the existence of other sizes of 2583. Perhaps salads in 1935 were lean things:-)
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Yes it's uranium Paul and it's 5.5 in diameter, which is large for sugar but I've had many in glass and china of a comparable size
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this next design consists of two parts - I wonder how many have survived complete, as pairs.
Registration No. 800714 dated 27.02.1935 - cigarette box/ashtray - catalogue No. 2598.
Certainly the factory catalogue image doesn't show this Registration as a two-part design, neither does it appear that Baker & Crowe indicate as such - on the other hand photos sent to the BoT in 1935 show the two parts separated/unassembled, as shown in the attached pix.
When joined, the square shaped part ('the box'), in photo No. 3 sits atop the squat lower unit (the ashtray), in photo No. 4, and whilst I've never seen an example I'd suggest the following - though I stand to be corrected.
When not in use the pair are united - box on top of ashtray, with the box acting as a repository for cigarettes and the complete unit placed on a table. When required, a cigarette is taken from the box and the box then placed to one side leaving the lower section exposed to receive ash. Centrally, in the ashtray, there is a dome shaped hump presumably used to stub out the cigarette, and I'd guess this also serves to provide a stable base for the box when joined.
The catalogue indicates available in flint satin finish (pattern only) - as is often the case, dimension aren't provided.
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This is the same dish shape and catalogue No. used earlier as part of the 'crinoline lady' centre piece set.
Registration 801662 dated 30.03.1935 - dish - catalogue No. 2596.
Whether the bowl used for the crinoline lady set is identical to this one - in terms of surface decoration - I don't know. Looking at the original photo which was sent to the BoT - as here - it shows some form of abstract surface patterning.
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The mould for the ashtray base of the 2598 set later ended up at Davidson's. They issued it in marble glass during the sixties with an added Davidson lion mark (along with the original moulded reg. no.!). These seem to have been made with a different baseplate or plunger as they lack the bulge in the base. The Davidson reissue is very scarce. Bernard Cavalot first told me about them. After ten years searching I finally found an example. The original Jobling production seems equally scarce: I've never seen one offered for sale.
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Pics of the Davidson issued 2598 ashtray set base. The piece is pretty small - about 7 cm square (including the protruding pattern) by about 3.5 cm tall:
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Re: reply #74: - Registration 801662 dated 30.03.1935 - dish - catalogue No. 2596.
Photo of a tortoiseshell (unfrosted amber cloud) example at
http://cloudglass.com/Joblingcat.htm
with the following description:
Jobling Pattern No: 2596
Known Cloud Colours: Tortoiseshell
Size(s): 11.75 inches diameter
Date Range: 1935 to ?
Description: Large shallow dish with a raised pattern of curving lines. Jobling registered this design (No 801662) on 30th March 1935. The raised pattern on this bowl is a combination of the Walther Orla and Rotterdam designs!
The Purple trails are very dark, almost black.
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adding to Steven's helpful comments on the original Jobling two piece cigarette holder/ashtray - who knows what reason have created this level of scarcity for some designs. I like the marbled offering from Davidson - possibly what the guys over the pond call blackberries and cream. :)
thanks for that information Fred - always very useful to have additional details, particularly as I tend to overlook some sites that have Jobling information, such as the Stewart's, for example.
the invitation to add relevant details applies to everyone - all useful comments are appreciated, and every little helps as they say.
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At long last, the thread for unregistered Jobling designs and uncatalogued variants of registered designs is now up and running here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,69028.0.html :)
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Registration 802233 dated 23.04.1935 - Jubilee plate - regret to say that neither the factory sales pages nor the Baker & Crowe list provide a catalogue No. for this design.
In the museum booklet, the authors have reproduced two Jobling sales catalogue pages, both showing this plate with what I assume is the 'seaweed' surface decoration - one with the centre circle showing an image of George V and the other, similarly, showing Queen Mary. No idea how the central image was produced, or what it consisted of (foil perhaps?), or whether in fact the plate was available without pix of royalty.
According to Jobling's sales wording, this item was available in pink, blue, green and amber, satin finish. I assume the pattern is in relief.
Yours in 1935 for the princely sum of twenty seven shillings per dozen (£1.35 in modern parlance).
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at a quick glance this one appears not to be a candlestick, but images can deceive, and if you look at the cross-section drawing all is revealed - confusion can be blamed partly on the absence of dimensions, I think - it's also true that the unusually large drip tray makes this appear more akin to a bowl. Speaking of that part of the design, the factory catalogue states ………...'specially designed to catch grease'.
Registration 803288 dated 31.05.1935 - seaweed candlestick - Jobling catalogue No. 2608. The surface decoration on this item appears to be the same as the Jubilee Plate - but I stand to be corrected - possibly this design has less of a visual impact - perhaps less seaweed?
Available in flint, satin finish ………….. also green, blue, amber and pink, satin finish.
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I can confirm that the decoration on both plate and candlestick are in rather low relief. The decoration on the candlestick is not an exact copy of that on the plate in miniature, but is the same pattern re-drawn to fit the smaller piece. It's less eye-catching on the candlestick because the fronds are shorter and the curve of the bowl steeper, making them less visible.
I wonder, having read that Joblin sold vases as tableware for celery, could these two be another ruse to evade Luxury Tax? As a plate and candlestick they are household items. Together, wouldn't they make quite an attractive centrepiece?
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thanks for the answer - appreciated. The candle holder (I'm having trouble calling it a stick) has the most unusual shape/proportions that I've ever seen for a piece intended for a candle - it would hold several cakes I'm sure.
I could be very wrong, but might it be a requirement - for avoiding the tax because of utility status - that the item had to carry the word CELERY? - do Jobling celeries carry the word?
What, if any, is the centre image on your plate - George V or Queen Mary?
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The very next item from the Baker & Crowe list - Reg. No. 805376, a salad bowl, factory catalogue No. 2583 - shows a three-footed pressed bowl with decoration of criss-cross mitres. This is both a shape and decoration which has appeared in this thread in an earlier post (together with a footed milk jug) under Registration No. 800443 from 19th February of the same year, though unfortunately for whatever reason, Baker & Crowe didn't include details of the earlier Registration, so now we see this salad bowl for the first time, listed against 805376 rather than in the earlier Registration.
I'm not inclined to think there is deliberate subterfuge here - it may well simply be that there was a conflict of sizes/uses, and the authors wanted to show a larger version of the salad bowl and it just so happened that it suited their purposes better to delay showing this shape and decoration until the appearance of the later Reg. 805376. However, the complete absence of the earlier Reg. 800443 (and come to that 800442 also), is a mystery - the lidded container, the milk jug and the smaller salad bowl design (assuming it was smaller), from those Registrations should have been included.
Lustrousstone's comments about there being more than one size of this design, with perhaps the intention of a smaller version being intended for sugar may well be correct - no doubt it will remain a mystery always as to why the earlier Registered design wasn't included by the authors.
So, here are pix of 805376 - salad bowl - factory catalogue No. 2583. For reasons unknown to me, all of the images, available for this Registration - at Kew - are shown in 'plan' view - nothing side on at all.
As a personal comment, 2583 doesn't do anything for me though it's not supposed to of course - it smacks of a utility shape and appearance, and lacks any pretence of refinement or artistic leaning, and suggests the thick glass of Sowerby, Davidson and other makers of every day glass.
Where is the imaginative and deco inspired images that we see on much of this factory's other output - instead there is the most banal design that reflects nothing of 1935 - what a lost opportunity. ;) ;)
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The Joblin celery that I have is a 11700 in frosted (?) pink. I can't find "Celery" on it anywhere. I hadn't read of any requirement for the word to be visible to evade the tax, the "evidence" that it was called a celery to do so was that, in the writer's opinion it was over elaborate to be such and too narrow to be practical.
My plate does not have either image. I recall seeing another for sale, also without any image. I also recall that not so long ago a seller on Etsy offered a pair for sale with the images of the king and queen. If I recall correctly, saying something like "retaining their original paper transfers ". If I'm allowed to do so, I do recall the sellers name and can add this to the thread if anyone wants to enquire directly. Their pair are not currently listed as for sale.
The dimensions for the candle holder (I agree it can't really be described as a stick).
Rim dia. 6.0 inches.
Base dia. 4.0 inches.
Height. 2.5 inches.
Both pieces glow under UV light.
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have to say that my comments about the word CELERY being applied in order to qualify for tax evasion wasn't founded on my own knowledge or experience, though I seem to recall that we have had discussions on the Board in the past where it was explained that marking glass with the word was done to avoid just such a surcharge. Probably refers to material made through the middle third of the C20 - such pieces (not Jobling though) seem often to have had the word on them.
I recently posted a picture of such an example - a large and colourful thing, that was way over the top in size and weight, which carried the word CELERY - but unlikely that you'd ever use it for that purpose. I wasn't suggesting you would find the word on Jobling's pieces, just curious as to whether it might occur. :)
Regarding the paper labels in the centre of the plates, again I lack personal experience of these pieces - always possible that all examples were provided with paper transfers by the factory, and in the course of wear and tear some simply fell off - then again maybe some actually left the factory without any transfers.
There was a time I found a small selection of Jobling designs in charity shops, but now almost never - perhaps the occasional fir cone bowl. Many pieces stylistically reflect what we think of as deco design - very artistic, which is why they appeal, though according to Baker & Crowe profit in most years was almost non existent for Jobling in terms of this decorative glass side of their business.
You obviously have some experience of Jobling designs - I agree some would make attractive centre pieces.
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Not having heard that this might be a requirement, I had a good look to see if it was, in fact, there on my pink one. I have a VSL "Marcelle" celery with the word etched near the rim, but so faintly that it has to catch the light at just the right angle to be legible. I was looking for something similar on the Joblin. Either near the rim or on the upper side of the base. If it is there, I can't see it.
Both seem rather narrow and impractical to hold celery, remembering such things from my aunts table when I was a child. Hers would have held most of head of the stuff, enough for a couple of sticks for each person at the table.
I have no experience of the labels either. The seller I mentioned wrote as though examples were rare enough to attract a premium on the price. If they were paper, and just glued on I would doubt that most lasted very long, my plate certainly has no trace of paper or even glue to indicate that it ever had a picture on it.
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Again, going from memory, I think most of the pieces that do carry the word 'CELERY', and which we're suggesting do so for possible tax avoidance reasons - are similar insofar as the word is often quite faint and I'd imagine applied in the form of an acid stamp. Perhaps we should instigate a new thread for all such examples. ;)
However, moving on........................
Registration 806062 dated 28.08.1935 - bird bowl - Jobling catalogue No. 2602.
I think this particular Registration is the last of the related group of three showing this stylized exotic looking bird pattern - almost Lalique in appearance, especially when in the opalescent pressing - the other two being 780717 (17.02.1933) and 787871 (15.11.1933).
Certainly some examples were available in amber and believe there were other colours - am sure Steven is able to be more accurate regarding the full range. Regret I've no idea as to dimensions.
According to the Museum booklet, this was the final Jobling design for which M. Franckhauser made a plaster mould.
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into the final seven designs: ……………………………………..
Registration No. 822997 dated 30.08.1937 - a vase - Jobling catalogue No. 2633. A height of 6 inches may be the only size produced, but I stand to be corrected.
According to Steven (Mosquito) this is an uncommon/scarce item, though it has appeared on the Board in recent weeks because it was an item I found, in uranium - I'm not aware of whatever other colours might have been produced. Always possible that the nearer we approach 1939, then as with many manufacturing companies, the need for production of ordnance/other materials for the war effort, limited Jobling's output of their own glass designs.
Both 1934 and 1935 saw quite a profusion of new designs from Jobling - it appears there was an absence of any new design Registrations in 1936, and only five for 1937. After this date, perhaps understandably, there is a substantial time gap before a single design in each of the years 1946 and 1947.
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Registration 822998 dated 30.08.1937 - salad bowl - Jobling catalogue No. 2632.
According to Baker & Crowe this is another item not shown anywhere in the factory catalogues so no idea as to size or colours offered. The example showing in the museum booklet may possibly be in flint - regret I've no idea as to the origin of that image - always possible it might be the same provenance as the pix you see here - i.e. the original BoT photos.
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Registration 823704 dated 07.10.1937 - vase - Jobling catalogue No. 2635 and which according to Baker & Crowe is another design not shown in any of the factory catalogues - so possible the authors may have used the BoT photos you see here for their museum booklet.
I'm unable to add dimensions, but always possible someone else can if they have an example of this design - as with Reg. 822997, always possible this one might have been produced in uranium as well as flint.
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and again from 1937 ………
Registration 824209 dated 04.11.1937 - a dish. Apparently this design lacks a factory catalogue No., and is another example which doesn't seem to appear in any of the sales catalogues.
Picture No. 3 here looks to be possibly an example in ceramic? - it's very opaque looking, but this might just be a silly suggestion on my part. All thoughts welcome especially, and obviously, if you have an example to show. I've no idea of size.
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and here is the final Jobling design for 1937 :-
Registration 824210 dated 04.11.1937 - salad bowl - factory catalogue No. 2632 - regret unable to add any information about size or available colours. Looking at the image in the museum booklet, I'd hazard a guess that the authors have again used the Board of Trade photo - which is the same picture you see here.
Bands of concentric hoops, semi-circles in one form or another are a recurring theme in Jobling's designs, though more commonly toward the end of their output - geometry in many guises was the big thing with art deco - spider web bowls, jazz bowls - there's hardly a design that doesn't include angled spaces bordered by straight lines or flared columns. The factory also borrowed freely from the Continental spirit of deco, particularly Lalique's pressed designs with images of floral and bird motifs and the nue - so almost back to art nouveau - as in the last but one Registration, next up.
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The final two Registered designs, one each from '46 and '47, are more typical of what we think of as Continental opalescent art deco - the motifs become recognizable appealing artistic images - neither of these final two designs has a factory catalogue No., and I'm unaware of details of colours and sizes.
Unfortunately, when I was last at Kew I made a mistake with the ordering of archives, and failed to photograph the final Registered design No. 851364, which is the 'iris lighting bowl', so there will be a delay of some days before I return for those details.
Registration 849494 dated 03.12.1946 - mermaid lighting bowl. It's only when you see the side profile of the bowl that the extent of the relief aspect of the design can be seen - it's surprising to see what you can rest a bowl on.
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According to the Baker & Crowe list, Registration 851364 was the final design from Jobling that the factory recorded with the Board of Trade. As mentioned, there isn't a factory catalogue No. …………… unfortunately, I omitted to mention that these final two designs - the mermaid lighting bowl and this iris lighting bowl - for whatever reason - had their BoT design protection extended for an additional period of five years. Thus - protection for 849494 which was Registered originally on 03.12.1946 expired finally on 03.12.1956 …………...… and 851364 first Registered on 12.06.1947 lost its protection on 12.06.1957 - possibly these were both successful designs and the company thought they warranted protection for longer, but that's just speculation.
In the course of searching TNA records for Jobling Registered designs, I wasn't aware of seeing any of the factory's designs which the authors list as being without Registered status - so those seventeen items remain unknown in the Kew archives, for whatever reason - they may well never have been there in the first place.
pix attached of Reg. 851364 - again, the extent of the design, in relief, is quite substantial. Apologies for the glare, but think we'd all agree this is a beautiful design.
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The Iris lighting bowl is very similar to Verlys catalogue no. 1097: coupe 'Les Orchidees' (shown in the 1934 catalogue -- p.13 here: https://glas-musterbuch.de/Verlys-1934.336.0.html). It's not an exact copy as there are small differences in detail, but overall they are suspiciously alike...
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