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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on December 08, 2019, 08:28:44 AM
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another one found during searches for Jobling items, the owner of which I assumed would be forthcoming from the Blue Book. Unfortunately, for whatever reason the Reg. No. is absent from said booklet, so until I return to Kew I'm none the wiser as to Registrant. Despite the slight nod toward a spider web looking pattern, I think it's unlikely to be Jobling - there's certainly no mention of this No. in Baker & Crowe, though I'm sure it'll turn out to be something made by a British manufacturer - assume it's a pressed piece but no idea of size.
If anyone does recognize the design, or know of the Reg. No., do shout please - it lives somewhere in the second half of April 1935.
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Paul, this looks very much like the base from either a Bagley State pot or a Libochovice 1882/1883 pot, but the examples I've seen don't have an RD no on them, and 802207 isn't given as a Bagley RD no in Angela Bowey's Bagley Glass book. You can see the pattern for comparison here https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/english/bagley/state-3098 and here https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/czechoslovakian/libochovice/1880-1884.
Bagley only did the trinket set in the State pattern, but in the pre-1958 catalogue for Libochovice (page 14) is shown a larger bowl pattern #1839 at 210mm diameter in the same pattern, along with two different sizes of handled basket in this pattern # 1839A (210mm dia) and 1868A (131mm dia)(pages 34 & 35), a sugar bowl (133mm dia) and cream jug (1/4 litre) #1868 and 1869 respectively, a smaller narrower lidded pot pattern 1865 at 80mm diameter (page 42) and the trinket set referred to above.
If you are able to check this at Kew it would help enormously please. (My gut feeling is that 802207 will be the Libochovice pattern so I would expect a Hoskins Rose registration.)
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hello Anne, and thanks for your in-depth details - much appreciated. Had I not spent some hours at Kew already I'd have stayed on to check this one in the Register, but enthusiasm was flagging, and there is a wait of c. 40 minutes, after ordering an item, before it surfaces for me to view.
So, I'll be back there in the coming 7 - 10 days and this will be high on the list of viewings.
In your link to the Bagley item, the State pattern appears to have been produced post 1939, so it's not matching with the date of 1935 for my mystery item. However, your details for the Libochovice design looks more likely - especially with that snail curl type of foot.
will come back to this one as soon as I've been back to Kew. thanks again. :)
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Here are the Register details for 802207 - though have to say I've never heard of Messrs. Heppner Ltd., of Holborn Circus, and suspect they were agents/importers only. Another sneaky CLASS 4 Registration, for whatever reason.
If anyone can add information on this name it will be appreciated. I like the bowl - it's substantial and sports an impressive moulded pattern - perhaps someone here might have an example.
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That's super, thank you Paul. Heppner were importers not manufacturers, and we know they registered other designs that appeared in the early catalogues of Feigl and Morawitz (later known post-war as Libochovice) - see another example here https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38110.0.html.
So, your marked piece will be the F&M/Libochovice piece I suspected rather than the Bagley version. It also confirms what the late Marcus Newhall suspected: that the Libochovice pattern pre-dated the Bagley versions, which were introduced c. 1939. Thank you!