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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Jeffingtons on December 20, 2019, 02:23:45 PM
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I don't know what has happened but I've gone from coveting mid-century modern glass to Victorian and Georgian drinking glasses.
The shop I bought this from had it labelled as 19th Century bohemian but I think it may be earlier. Folded foot, snapped pontil, wear to base, lots of inclusions. This is the first one I've found that I think has a chance of being 18th century but I'd appreciate the views of people more knowledgeable than myself.
Thanks
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Very nice piece, the folded foot would give it a good age, still learning as I've just started on drinking glasses and would be interested in what others have to say ;D
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Hi - think you're going to need Peter (old glassman) on this one. Unfortunately, for collectors, folded feet did make a re-appearance in the C19, and snapped pontil scars can appear almost anywhere in the last three hundred years, so these features confusing when trying to nail a date.
There's always the temptation - when assessing glass - to make assumptions that this is a home produced item, and as a consequence try and make something fit with what we imagine would be British characteristics, though this one may well be eastern Europe in origin.
Lots of inclusions may be found on some tavern or pub glasses, but generally C18 glasses were well made and are of a higher quality then we might now imagine. Sometimes the copyists over do the inclusions etc., thinking that poor quality equals age.
Do you see a blip on the rim - caused by use of shears when the piece was on the pontil iron - surplus rim was cut whilst the glass was plastic, and the blip occurs where the shears begin and end - causing a slight thickening at that point. These blips can, but not always, indicate the piece is probably pre 1840. The bladed knop is very wide, though that's not unknown for the C18, and the bowl shape in my opinion might be square bucket or round funnel - it looks a tad in between.
Would be good if this were C18 - if you're there Peter, would very much appreciate your opinion please. :)
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Hi Jeffingtons. Nice interesting glass - it’s good to see some more old drinking glass, imagine where it’s been.
I’m no expert so please feel free to ignore :) just the thoughts of someone else interested in old glasses and learning. I think it looks like a Balustroid type glass, going by Bickerton, but looks a bit odd to me. With the tapered lower stem and the narrow part above the knop, it looks a bit like two different glasses grafted together (not that it is). Also, the lump under the bowl looks like it was on its way to becoming another knop but didn’t quite make it, perhaps it’s the bohemian look? Does it ring nicely when you flick it? You can’t beat having it in your own hands.
It’ll be interesting to find out what it might be.
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I would have been tempted by it too. Is it cut or etched?
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Might be continental? Found these with bladed knows which have similarities https://www.glaswolf.de/Sachsen_Thueringen.296.0.html
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it looks to be wheel engraved - if it were etched then definitely not C18. What the decoration means is unclear - unfortunately, the glare is masking some of the image - it looks like J 5 ??
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It's engraved FS. The attached picture shows it more clearly
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Hi , The link from Bat20 above is a good one , your glass is Saxon, mid 18th c ,
cheers
Peter
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Thanks everyone for your expertise. I learn something new every time Ii visit this site
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No point buying a glass of you're not going to drink out of it. I wonder how many people have drink from it over the years
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Far too clumsy to drink out of stemmed ware, did drink from this but it holds far too much when your favourite tipple is single malt !
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Far too clumsy to drink out of stemmed ware, did drink from this but it holds far too much when your favourite tipple is single malt !
nice. scotch is pretty much the only thing I don't use antique or vintage glassware. The glencairn glad it's actually really well designed if you like it neat and want to get a good nose.