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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: LEGSY on January 02, 2020, 03:28:02 PM
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Purchased today as i thought Monart as i had one
in a similar color years ago but that was just a small plate
however the coloring was the same and the base was with a
raised glass knob of glass and a slight circle near the edge of the
base which was flat. Would anybody know the color code please?
Also i only realized after purchasing it sadly it has an annealing
crack on the foot which is a mega downer as it was not mentioned
in the shop but i guess i should have looked better :( Is the vase now
worthless financially or not and it is strange that it still rings well when
it is flicked as it has this crack (pic4) ???Thank you Dan :~)
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Hi - ordinarily I wouldn't comment on such material since my knowledge of Scottish glass could be written on the back of a rather small postage stamp, but …………….
just for the sake of helping, possibly, can tell you that in the second part of the sale of the Michael Parkington collection, disposed of thru Christie's back in 1998, this oversized egg-cup shape in some sort of dusky blueish shade, and with masses of irregular large bubbles - was catalogued as a 'Monart Coupe' shape JB.
Unfortunately, the catalogue description omitted any reference to a colour code, but does indicate height at 22 cms - it also appears to avoid any indication of age.
If the damage wasn't mentioned by the seller, then perhaps best to get a refund - would imagine that from a collectors point of view, and unless of mega rarity, then this one will have little commercial value.
anyway hope the above tit-bits of info of some use.
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Annealing cracks are unfortunately quite common in Monart. It does affect the value, but does not render something valueless. Their annealling ovens were in draughty old wooden sheds in a cold climate - controlling the temperature was very difficult, and cracks appeared either at the time or later on, spontaneously.
This is a very unusual shape to find - the only one I know of is in Perth Museum and it contains uranium. (Have you tested for that in this?)
I would imagine the purists might avoid something with a crack, but when it is a very unusual shape, as this is, it should still have a decent value. It might be somebody's only ever chance to own the shape.
It seems to have a lot of different colours in it too. I'd happily give it a home - especially at an annealing crack price. ;D
I've added my pics of the one in the Museum. Michael is refusing to co-operate with my plans to steal it. :(
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That's lovely i also have very little and sometimes struggle to fill
Stamps etc with it :) I reckon it's due to lack of decent books but
my Dad always says you have to know where to draw the line with them
yet i always seem to find new avenues to collect into once i purchase a new
good book....Sounds like if its a rare shape i should probably hold onto it
and not go back for my money 8) although it was not much...
Sue i have just checked it has no reaction with A black light at all and your
right it has a load of colors going on inside it iv'e just gone and put it in me
front room instead of in a box in me bedroom lol Thanks for great help and info
Love this site only one where people seem to have the same facination with glass
as i do
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The museum vase is amazing it could be MdIna or WMF at
a quick glance i love it ;D
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At the Edinburgh conference, Nigel gave a great talk on how Ysart glass can be considered to be a forerunner of Studio glass.
The only thing that stops it being that is the date of the start of Studio being defined as the Toledo Lecture on 23rd March 1963.
The Ysarts were very advanced in their ideas. ;D
I do love your goblet/ chalice /coupe/ whatever. I'd be keeping it in pride of place if it were mine. :)
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Thanks Sue :)
I was wondering on Ysarts glass website it mentioned
other sizes i assumed there would be many pieces similar
don't mean to quote you it just appears to be rarer than i expected
it was funny how things that are rare can make you feel but i do
enjoy it already guess just been a bit lucky :)
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just for interest on this piece, how does the height compare with the Parkington example of 22 cms.?
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just 19 cm over here.
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thanks :)
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My brother is a Monart collector Dan, so although I don't pay any attention to codes, numbers or letters, I've followed what he's been doing for the last 20 odd years.
I do pay attention to glass. ;D
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Any ideas on the value of the piece Sue??
I have never been up on it to be honest
I spotted another in a shop today also a very
big vase with the same cracking they wanted
£15 for it but it was like 10" big urn shape i may
get it next week if i have the spare change when
i get there again :)
Do you have many pieces of Monart?
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I think I have two bits. A beautiful little bubbly dish; I cannot work out how they managed to polish the base with the bubbles in, it is so thin and delicate, and a combed green piece which was affordable because of a huge annealling crack.
I haven't a clue about values, but something really big, with a crack, for £15 sounds like a "come and get me" price if you like it.
I paid £20 for my combed piece.
Bubbly pieces are a good bit scarcer than not bubbly. Your goblet is a wonderful bubbly one.
I'd probably offer you a bit of profit on what you paid for that! ;D
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stunning piece of bubbled Monart even with the fracture , open / burst bubbles are more a problem with these bubble pieces
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Thank you so much for the replies :)
It's fascinated me since i got it the other
day i keep glancing at the bubbles even the kids
have mentioned that they prefer it too all the
other's that i have on my sideboard yet my
Mum has said she want's rid of it off their as she likes
Czech pieces with colors and swirls etc so it may even
go in a box for a while until i get a new house not the
best of out comes for something that needs displaying
so may look at re homing it..I know it seems to be a rare
bit so Would Ebay be best?? Questions Questions Questions
Would like it to go to a good home eventually so to speak
as it maybe worth more to a collector than it is for me :)
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despite my earlier comments regarding the possible lack of hard cash value due to the annealing crack etc., the desirability of any collectible mustn't be assessed only in terms of LSD (that does sound so ancient now doesn't it - hope everyone knows what it means - and no, it's not the mushrooms ;)). Most older hand made 'things' have other definable values such as beauty, craftmanship etc., and despite the lack of physical perfection with this piece, I think a lot of folk here would keep this example of Monart due to it's rarity, shape, colour and its known origin - I know I would - when are you ever going to find another.
This one isn't going to pay for your pension anyway, and may realize the sort of value that might buy you a couple of meals out at the local restaurant - after which you will have lost the glass.
Keep it to remind you of a time when craft pieces such as this were made in difficult circumstances - and the like of which won't come around again.
On the other hand I'll give you a fiver for it ;) ;) ;) ;D
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I would definitely fork over some bucks (I'm in Canada) for it.
Carolyn
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I was only joking of course, Dan, but this latest offer sounds like it would go to a very good home, and be loved, crack and all. :)
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I bid first. ;D
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I bid first. ;D
No, I did. It's mine!!!! ;D :D ;D :D
Carolyn
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;)
I think Dan might have got hold of the idea that this might well have some monetary value - we're fighting over it here already!
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I'm sorry to open a can of worms i guess i get ahead of myself
quite a lot and sometimes don't have the best grasp of things
i just wondered as we all do with things and i know this is not the place
to discuss things as money sorry :( I wasn't trying to get a dutch auction
started i don't think just got a bit excited when you mentioned rare it's one
of those words that makes your hair stand on end lol Will certainly make people
aware if i decide to sell which might not be too long as mentioned...
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I think we're all just joking around a little ;D ;D ;D
- no cans of worms Dan. Just a lot of admiration for a very special and beautiful thing, despite the damage. The reasons for the damage are known and understood and can be forgiven, to some extent.
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:) Thank you ;D
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I think we're all just joking around a little ;D ;D ;D
- no cans of worms Dan. Just a lot of admiration for a very special and beautiful thing, despite the damage. The reasons for the damage are known and understood and can be forgiven, to some extent.
I'm quoting her 'cuz she said what I was going to! ;)
Carolyn
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:-* :)