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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: glassobsessed on January 13, 2020, 03:36:30 PM
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Looking to ID the maker of this vase if possible, guessing it was made circa 1880 give or take a few extra years... A small vase about 10cm tall, body in clear glass with a pretty even coating on the outside of what looks like mica with lime and dark green trails over the top. The mica feels quite rough to the touch, rim is hot finished but there is no pontil mark, the mica and lack of pontil mark in the circumstances has me thinking Bohemian.
The only time I have seen a finish on the outside that is similar was a on a Loetz Cephalonia vase.
John
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That Cephalonia vase...
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The texture of your mica looks very, very like a bit of Loetz I have. I'm not positive it is mica, it just looks like snow covered branches of trees.
It's kind of white and kind of silver and kind of all pillow-y soft, and leads to a bumpy but smooth surface on the glass.
It's clear with silvery white mica-ish bits and had had a silver metal electroplated lining (Now all blackened and much was scratched off before it became mine.)
I've searched and found the pattern was called Schaumglas, an Eduard Prochaska technique.
And searching for that, I've found bits with coloured strapping on.
Just need to confirm the shape now, I hope. ;D
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Done some digging and found a thread with pics of my vase in.
(And I've found green trailed bits the same shape as mine.)
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47725.new.html#new
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Thanks Sue, most Loetz Schaum glass dates from the 30s I believe, like this: https://www.loetz.com/decors-a-z/schaumglas
The earlier examples are somewhat different again:
http://www.bohemianglass.org/katalog/vaza-na-nozce-schaumglas-dek-waltl-wilfert-3543/detail/
The schaum or bubbles are within the glass, not a layer on the outside of the glass like my wee vase.
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;D I should have learned by now I should keep away from making any statements about Loetz. :-X
I hadn't realised your "bits" were on the outside. My "bits" are on the inside, but still lead to a bumpy surface. It is just very finely cased.
I did think your strapping looked more robust, and possibly even a stronger green, and was still waiting to hear of shape confirmation... (excuses)
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Hi John did you discount Stevens & Williams Silveria already just
sprang too my mind when i saw this on the screen, Sadly i have not
seen any in the flesh but it looks similar to yours Dan
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;D
That's exactly what my guts thought before I enlarged the pics, but it's not. I have been involved in or observed threads where it has been illustrated.
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Absolutely discounted Stevens & Williams Silveria, that was made with silver leaf in an unusual way leaving a near continuous layer of silver (it was not blown further after the silver was added).
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John do you have the Manley book. I can't remember if similar was in there but was just wondering if there were any snippets of info in there. Likewise the Victorian Decorative Glass book just in case.
I have seen this decor before though and I think they are Bohemian.
I wondered if they were a Kralik.
m
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Also similar decor in 'idea' to Stevens and Williams Fibrilose - see CH 20th Century British Glass page 24 rh side for clear glass decanter and stopper. But... that has no mica in it. And I do still wonder whether this might have been a Kralik 'version' of. Did WMF use mica? Just musing out loud.
The shape and the no pontil mark but firepolished rim are a bit strange.
For anyone without the book this is from Fieldings and says it is a Stevens and Williams Fibrilose decanter. It's a very different green to that on John's vase. I think the green in the book is also a different green. More emerald on the decanters, more grass green on John's vase:
https://www.ukauctioneers.com/auction_catalogue.cfm?AN-EARLY-20TH-CENTURY-STEVENS-WILLIAMS-CRYSTAL-GLASS-CLARET-JUG-OF-COMPRESSED-OVOID-FORM-WITH-TAPERED-COLLAR-NECK-APPLIED-LOOP-HANDLE-SILVER-HALLMARKED&itemID=20E9CB0FD7D727FCD4EEFECEFF5E0CE8EF27A8CA&auction=28E8C906&action=6&rangepage=14¤tpage=1&showLots=50&sortBy=lotsort&lotView=list&imagesOnly=N
m
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No don't have a copy of Manley here but just ordered a worn copy that was cheap. There are two colours of green on the vase long lime green trails and darker green spots.
Interesting your musing over Kralik, along with the lack of pontil mark. Often see Kralik vases lacking a pontil mark where you might expect one. I suspect they were held around the centre by some sort of device with jaws for the rims to be worked or trails applied, much like these orange and blue vases.
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Yes, sorry John but there isn't anything in Manley eek.
However, I like to have his book regardless that I wouldn't use it for id. It has lots of items in it and also he has lovely musings ... and was putting together his thoughts in isolation pre internet etc.
Funny you added those two. What caught my eye on flicking through various memory jogging pics last night were, I think, two of that shape or similar in the opalescent cream with green trails and I thought the green looked quite similar to the trails on yours.
I agree about the device used to hold them - that's the only explanation I could come up with.
m
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I have been meaning to add to my books m, I have so few on Victorian glass it sounds like it will be a happy addition.
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Hi John,
Just for reference theres an almost identical vase to yours shown in the below link if you scroll down.
http://www.stylendesign.co.uk/guidepages/ehtom2.html
I don't think the example in the link above is definitively attributed, although some the elements certainly remind me some of the Kralik shell/cornucopia pieces...
http://www.kralik-glass.com/kralikshellarray.html
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Thank you Greg, had a vague thought I might have seen one somewhere before (they are not iridescent as claimed there) but much more useful is your observation re Kralik shells etc. You are right some do have that same texture, this one looks like it has the same kind of layer on the outside, maybe made with a slightly finer grain.
When I get a chance I will have a long trawl through Kralik photos, finding a shape match too would help make a reasonable attribution.
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The text (in Greg's first link) says the vase that is most like yours, John is;
"Kralik & Sohne, Wilhelm. (Not to be confused with Kralik & Co Glasshutte in Germany)"
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I know but given it describes the vase as iridescent when it is not and the main body of text in relation to Kralik is somewhat confused I really don't give it that much value.
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:) I'm still trying to get my head around the idea that there are two Kraliks and it's bringing up memories of confusion about those hole-handled crackle jugs, and was just mentioning that bit, in case a(n other) reader of the thread missed it.(clutching at straws here!)
You know far more about this area than I do. Sorry if I was teaching my grandma to suck eggs again.
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