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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Pts26 on February 10, 2020, 05:36:01 PM
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Hi All
I have this vase I'm trying to identify the artist?
I have no idea really Swedish? French?
Its certainly quite a substantial piece, im afraid my picture dont quite convey the skills required to make such a piece.
Any ideas please share.
Kind regards Pete. (http://)
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Hello and welcome, Pete. :)
Thanks for posting good images directly - much appreciated!
Are there any marks on the base at all?
Can we please see a pic of the base, even if it looks as if there's "not much there" the precise sort of "not much there" can be very informative.
It does seem very Scandanavian to me, but that's not my area. Somebody else, I am sure will be able to help.
It is a very distinctive and rather wonderful thing you have there. :)
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Hi Sue
Thanks for your kind reply I will get some photos of the base and provide some measurements shortly, as i am away currently and was eager to post the photos I had already.
I have checked for a mark or signature but can not find any.
Anyway Im glad you like it, I do think its quite special and would love to know who made it? From the searching ive done web images etc I kept coming back to ARISTIDE COLOTTE (1885-1959) a french maker but thats probably wishful thinking given the prices of Colotte's work maybe the school of Colotte? Or clutching at straws!
Thanks again for taking the time.
Cheers Pete.
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For what it's worth ( not much given my inexpertise in this area!) I think your instincts are in the right ballpark.
Have you explored this site? vases-art-deco.fr/ (http://vases-art-deco.fr/)
Meanwhile keep searching for a mark or signature! :)
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I really want somebody who has real expertise in this area to come along and see it.
Clear glass isn't my thing. Cold worked glass isn't my thing.
But this IS something outstanding.
I wouldn't be jumping to "school of" yet.
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Hello and welcome Pete, and what a stunning first post! I can't wait to find out more about it. Thank you for introducing me to Aristide colette's work.
Could we have some measurements please.
Thanks
Cat
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Hi all
Thanks for your kind welcome , as soon as I get back to my vase I'll be sure to add some photos, hopefully tomorrow. Heres another picture i meant to post earlier (http://)
Just to clarify Im not saying it is Colotte or not I really hope someone here may know.
Thanks again Pete.
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For what it's worth ( not much given my inexpertise in this area!) I think your instincts are in the right ballpark.
Have you explored this site? vases-art-deco.fr/ (http://vases-art-deco.fr/)
Meanwhile keep searching for a mark or signature! :)
Hi Chas, Thanks for the link some interesting similarities Im not sure if any of them are the same maker but definitely got the art deco style/geometrics on some of them. Good stuff
cheers Pete.
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Oops.....typo.....meant Aristide Colotte.
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I really want somebody who has real expertise in this area to come along and see it.
Clear glass isn't my thing. Cold worked glass isn't my thing.
But this IS something outstanding.
I wouldn't be jumping to "school of" yet.
Yes, I'm similar. I usually avoid clear, cut glass but this has a definite style and artistry that lifts it out of the norm. Hopefully someone with good knowledge of this area will be able to tell us more!
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Hi all
Here's the approximate dimensions and further photos
Height 26cm, Diameter 20cm at the widest part.
Base diameter 11cm, Mouth diameter 9.5cm
Weight 3.9kg.
(http://)
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;D
Apologies, we did not explain exactly what we meant be seeing the base. You need to take a pic from a slight angle, so that the light reflects off the surface of the base, so that we can see anything that might be there and its general appearance. (I've attached a pic of a mark on glass to show you what I mean.)
Glass is a nightmare to photograph well.
It's 3D and pics are 2D. Clear, cut stuff is the absolute worst. ::) ::) ::)
Signatures on this sort of thing can be really tiny, and almost worked into the design. Keep peering around the body!
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Hi Sue
I have looked carefully but I know what you mean about hard to find marks so haven't entirely given up yet, though mindful of completely losing my sanity!
Thanks again for your kind advice
Cheers Pete.
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Wonderful. Thank-you!
I can see there is very good age-related wear there. That is very helpful indeed. :)
It isn't just cut - it is acid treated as well, to create the duller parts. It is a very complex and sophisticated work of art.
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I'm starting to think it might be Czech......something quite "industrial" about the design is reminding me of another piece I've seen, but the memory recall is a little slow today.
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It's reminding me of Maurice Marinot, (the acid treated mountains) Rene Roubicek's Dvorak vase and for some strange reason - (possibly related to it being large, clear and cut, but also the sort of figure) makes the name Vicke Lindstrand pop up.
It's the "Industrial" feel that points me to Marinot and Roubicek - I don't think it's their work, but that it might be of similar quality.
But I don't know most of the other big names. Never heard of Colotte. :-[
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I usually get it wrong when I mention Moser......but I'll risk it. The cutting and etching on the second and third vases, the quality, and the fact that they aren't always signed...... Just putting it out there 😺
https://www.artglassnouveau.com/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/4523?opendocument&part=5
There are some lovely images of Colotte vases, but the more I look at them the more they look "harder" - deep cuts with very straight geometric lines.
Perhaps Pete could try some shots with a tube of paper inside the vase, so that we can see the design more clearly without the other side showing through?
It really is an intriguing piece. I haven't been able to stop thinking about it all day in the garage while unpacking more boxes. Nothing like this discovered as yet 😹
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This is an image of a head sculpture by Vicke Lindstrand - you can see style similarities with the figure on this mystery.
It's a little bit C3PO-ish. :)
https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctions/560/697-a-vicke-lindstrand-cut-glass-sculpture-vase-kosta-1950-s-60-s
In general, Cat, I think the style is later than that of Moser. But lovely to see the site. 8)
I think we're into post-modernism.
(unless I've got my dates muddled, but I know what I mean.)
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Hi All
A few more pics... (http://)
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This is an image of a head sculpture by Vicke Lindstrand - you can see style similarities with the figure on this mystery.
It's a little bit C3PO-ish. :)
https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctions/560/697-a-vicke-lindstrand-cut-glass-sculpture-vase-kosta-1950-s-60-s
In general, Cat, I think the style is later than that of Moser. But lovely to see the site. 8)
I think we're into post-modernism.
(unless I've got my dates muddled, but I know what I mean.)
certainly does have a similar style face?
I had also considered Orrefores but was told by that it couldn't be because its not signed. I have to confess my knowledge in this field is a little limited. When I first got the vase I thought maybe Swedish 1930's but equally I see what you mean by post modernism 50's. Hopefully someone will have it in a catalogue or something?
Cheers Pete.
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I usually get it wrong when I mention Moser......but I'll risk it. The cutting and etching on the second and third vases, the quality, and the fact that they aren't always signed...... Just putting it out there 😺
https://www.artglassnouveau.com/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/4523?opendocument&part=5
There are some lovely images of Colotte vases, but the more I look at them the more they look "harder" - deep cuts with very straight geometric lines.
Perhaps Pete could try some shots with a tube of paper inside the vase, so that we can see the design more clearly without the other side showing through?
It really is an intriguing piece. I haven't been able to stop thinking about it all day in the garage while unpacking more boxes. Nothing like this discovered as yet 😹
Thanks for the link Cat Im glad you like it :)
Im not sure about moser or anything else to be fair but its definitely by someone?
Cheers Pete
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It reminded me of aspects of John Ford graal.
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I should have been clearer about the images I linked to, it was for the quality of the etching in both and the asymmetrical cutting on the second. Not for the period of those pieces, but I thought a "maybe" for later Moser.
Off to learn about John Ford Graal!
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Pete, so far, we all seem to be a bit clueless, apart from we all think it's something pretty wonderful. ;D
(I haven't investigated Ford yet, a new name to me too) but somebody will know; we'll get there in the end.
We're just amateurs, and not everybody comes along every day.
I just don't think the folk who do know about this sort of thing have seen it yet, but Ekimp has joined in... :) Thanks for the extra pics. This vase deserves scrutiny and study.
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Hi, i don’t think John Ford did it, just it reminded me of some of his stuff. I see he worked for Orrefors as an engraver, maybe there is a Swedish influence? Not a clue really (situation normal ;D ), but I like it!
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Hi All
Just to say Thanks for all the advice and suggestions so far,please forgive me if I don't respond to every post but really do appreciate all your help , its a sharp learning curve for me and it seems my vase has thrown me in the deep end!
Cheers Pete.
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Don't worry about it, Pete - we're all enthralled and I'm sure, quite happy to carry on - this really is something from a "deep end" as you say. It's very, very exciting. ;D
We just haven't got the right person to see it, yet.
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Bump....
Hi folks hope you're all staying safe in these crazy days
Still have this beauty but still none the wiser?
Best regards