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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: #grant# on February 29, 2020, 06:19:07 PM
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Hi
I have tried researching this bud vase I've come up with whitefriars murano caithness.? Its a lovely purple with clear glass it measures a fraction over 8 3/4" - 22.3 cms it heavy and a thick cut top the glass edged is different in measuring between 4mm 5mm I'm guessing its possibly 1960's
Any ideas would be great
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Caithness looks likely. Definitely not Whitefriars.
John
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Does the lilac colour change to a blue under some different types of light, Grant?
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Thanks for your reply
No it stays the same colour
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As you can see it's a dark purple at the base then gently fades to the lighter purple I've measured it again at 8 3/4" the weight is 865g
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OK, so it's not neodymium glass then. It could well be Caithness - similar shape here in the postcard attached in blue. It's worth a browse through the Scotlandsglass pages on Caithness. http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/
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I can see similar vases just the height of caithness are smaller.?
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if the rim is thick cut and the base polished flat then yeah it's caithness
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Thank you for your confirmation. The height was a puzzle, but I did see on another caithness wedsite that the sizes varied. After all being hand blown they would be individual.
Another question is if it's a 1960's piece or an 80's.?
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Being handblown doesn't mean there would be that much variation in size. These are all measured with calipers to be within a much closer range. It just means there was a different size.
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I dont doubt your caithness as they are more alike.
But the measurement 8 3/4 /22cms dont add up up.? I'm sure I'll come across the measurements soon
Thank you for your confirmation and reply to my message
Many thanks, Grant
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Caithness are rather fussy about quality control, if this is Caithness, it is likely a second - the interior colour is decidedly squint.
It can be hard to tell these from the wfs ones, Caithness ones do not have flat polished bases, but a curved indent from a mould. The edges of the polished rims are not sharp, but nicely rounded (I've got one sitting here beside me).
P 27. of Mark Hill's Caithness book shows a sandblasted one, and the caption says it was designed by Charles Orr. It is early - '60s ish, but they are quite common and are often mistaken for wfs ones. No actual date is given.
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The bottom is flat polished and the top is rough.! A previous reply from the staircase mentioned if flat bottom and top is caithness..??
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A flat polished base could be either Caithness or wfs. A moulded indent is definitely Caithness.
If the top is rough, has it been broken? Caithness would not leave a rough rim.
For many of these bud vases, it can be almost impossible to tell whether they are Caithness or wfs.
The squintness of the colour really worries me. Caithness did sell seconds, clearly marked as such, but seconds tended to have far less obvious flaws than this. It can be difficult to find the flaw - often just a swirl in the clear glass. I can't see this having been deemed good enough to sell, even as a second. And you say it has a rough rim, which doesn't sound at all right either.
It really looks as if it might have escaped from wherever it came from, I'm afraid. ;D