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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: keith on March 04, 2020, 03:33:18 PM
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Marked 'Royal Brierley, England' 8 inches tall with 4 glasses, 3 inches tall, the decanter has a small polished pontil mark with some wear, the colour is what I'd like to think as being 'Keith Murray green' can't find this in any of his designs though ::) ;D 1930s maybe ? ;D ;D
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It looks perfect for keeping Linda's Chutney in. ;D
Nice wide top, fitting lid, and a beautiful thing to put on the table and serve from.
But seriously, is there a specific purpose to there being two lips? Are they to place a stirring rod in to act as a dam while pouring stuff but keeping lumps back; is it possibly a cocktail shaker rather than a decanter?
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very nice piece Keith - congrats. - and I too would have assumed a shaker in view of the opposing pouring lips. Is the stopper a really good fit - and have you tried the u.v. torch?
Looking in Hajdamach, generally, the Murray greens that he shows look less bright than your piece - they're more of a dull dark green.
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Linda's chutney can stay where it is :o it's good but it's not going in this ;D ;D, think decanter is probably wrong as you both say more likely to be a shaker. The lips are covered by the stopper so no room for a stirring rod. The stopper is a perfect fit Paul and the green is darker, had to use a flash which made it look brighter, doubt it's uv reactive but I'll have a look ;D ;D
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The rod would only be placed there when it's been opened for pouring, after a shoogle of the contents with the lid in. ;D
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Got it ;D it's uranium glass ! ;D ;D
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see - I thought so ;D it gave me just that little twinkle of brightness. ;D Having looked at several related type pix, I think the answer to the rod/stirrer question is that those deco sorts would have had a separate open topped container in which they mixed and stirred the concoction, using the rod, then poured the stuff into your shaker thingy from which it was poured into drinking glasses - I think. :)
sorry - what's a shoogle please :)
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Shoogling is somewhere inbetween stirring and shaking. Not as violent as a shake; but a bit more than a stir.
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I was going to ask that ::) this is the actual colour, bit blurry ::) ;D ;D
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hmmmm - now it doesn't look uraniumeeee - more Murray ish. ;D
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That's what I was thinking, hoping, the mark dates it to the late 30s so about the right time for Murray ? ;D ;D
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yes, that could be about right for Murray. I've lost the plot Keith - I had the impression you finally said this was uranium, but now I'm not sure. :-\
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;D ;D
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hmmnm ……….. you sure that isn't a manganese glow Keith - looks a tad dull greenish to me.?
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I think that's manganese too. A lot of it, but it's not bright enough for Uranium. There wouldn't be "bald-of-glow" areas.
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The 'decanter' thingy does look a bit odd, here's a better one of the a glass ??? ;D
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That looks more U-ish than Mn-ish. ;D
How far away can you get your UV source from the glass, while the glow still shows?
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It's uranium. You can see it on the edges in the daylight pix. I asked Keith on Facebook as soon as I saw them
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You have to get really close with the light source for a reaction ;D ;D
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It's smokey grey glass, not green. ???
And if you don't get the reaction unless it is very close, we're back to Mn.
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Still think it's smokey green ::) ;D ;D
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Keith - to what extent did S. & W./R. B. produce glass with a uranium content - do you know? Presumably none of the Murray designs - made in that dull darkish green colourway - were ever uranium.
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Is the green slightly olivey? Looking at the glasses in your greyer pic on p. 1, I can see a yellowy colour around the bottom of the bowl of the glasses.
But a bluer shade in the stems.
I am starting to agree with you Keith, smokey green. ;D
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I've no idea Paul, I'd ask David Williams-Thomas but his email got hacked so can't contact him.
Sue, olivey yes but no blue tinge ::) ;D ;D True colour picture....
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thanks Keith - despite Christine's knowledgeable comments, I' still finding it hard to see these as uranium - is this very dull charcoal olive a known colour in the spectrum of uranium carrier colours? I'm not going to argue with the lady who knows sheds loads more than me about glowing glass, just that the pix I'm now seeing are confusing. :)
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Join the club, never seen uranium glass in this colour, not about to argue with Sue or Christine ;D ;D
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Don't ask me to argue with Christine either!
I'm completely unsure, but currently, until further information comes to light, I'm suspecting the glasses could be U, but not the shaker.
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That makes sense about the shaker and it's funny 'glow' ;D
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The shaker is U
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Thanks Christine, I take it you've seen this type of dull 'glow' before ? ;D
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It does not pass the distance test, Christine.
Keith's source is mains, it's not a running out battery, and the shaker has to be very close to get the glow.
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But it does show a glow with flash