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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Jeffingtons on March 15, 2020, 12:16:39 AM
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I don't know what to make of this glass. 4.5 inches tall, base 2 inches wide, bowl 1.75 inches wide, polished pontil. Stem has a bit of a lean. Some wear to the base but not loads. Though bearing the size of the glass in mind I can't imagine it got called into use too often
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Looks like a Swedish - or Swedish-style - schnapps glass.
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A couple of questions,are there any bits in the glass or air bubble,does the rim have a little bump on it,thanks.Sometimes you find old glass with very little wear,and it looks a bit like a gin glass from about 1800,but obviously it could also be a lot younger!
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A couple of questions,are there any bits in the glass or air bubble,does the rim have a little bump on it,thanks.Sometimes you find old glass with very little wear,and it looks a bit like a gin glass from about 1800,but obviously it could also be a lot younger!
Had a closer look at it. Quite a number of small bubbles visible. They're pretty small though. I needed a look through my loupe to get a decent view as my eyes are bobbins up close these days. I have gadget marked barware with loads of bubbles so not necessarily helpful in terms of dating unfortunately. It does have a little bump in the rim and a bit of frit where the pontils snap was made that didn't get polished out.
I will stick my neck on the line and say I think it's probably 19th century.
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Looks like a Swedish - or Swedish-style - schnapps glass.
Thanks. My knowledge of Scandinavian glass goes no further back than the 1930s. I see there's a modern kosta boda design that looks a little similar.
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At the size you mentioned then it'll be a dram / spirits glass. Looks like it could be early 19th century but hard to tell from photos provided. Is the foot flat , conical, terraced etc ?
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quote …. "I have gadget marked barware ……." - would love to see some of these pieces showing the gadget mark, we see such marks very rarely here - but, is it possible you're referring to the 'T' or 'Y' shaped marks found on the underside of the foot? These marks are created by the shears when cutting the plastic glass away from the rod - whereas the impression left by use of the gadget is only ever seen on the top of the foot. :)
Generally, gadget marks will usually appear on glass from the second half C19 through perhaps to first quarter C20 - on the other hand the shears mark will appear on hand made glasses until quite recent times.
Agree, accurate dating is always difficult from screen pix only - I'm a fan of drawn stems - they have a big visual appeal.
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Here's a couple I've had for ages,the taller one is 13cm with a broken Pontil,conical foot,tooling marks and leaded,so probably late 18th century.The other one is soda glass 11cm ht,polished Pontil and the tooling marks less obvious with very little wear to the base,possibly tavern glass from the 19th,but I've never really been sure?
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At the size you mentioned then it'll be a dram / spirits glass. Looks like it could be early 19th century but hard to tell from photos provided. Is the foot flat , conical, terraced etc ?
Flattish and uneven.
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That foot is conical so probably from the earlier part of 19th century although I'm sure someone will come along discredit everything I've stated....
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Thanks. My knowledge of Scandinavian glass goes no further back than the 1930s. I see there's a modern kosta boda design that looks a little similar.
You can also get a similar form called 'Svalka' from Ikea in a few localities - for very little money: https://www.ikea.ee/en/products/kitchen/glassware/glasses/svalka-snaps-glass-art-60015131
But, of course, 'traditional Swedish form' doesn't necessarily mean Swedish production, even in older glasses. Kastrup/Holmegaard were making these in Denmark for at least the first half of the 20th Century: http://www.hardernet.dk/Stemware/Svensk_form-Holmegaard_1900.htm
There were undoubtedly other producers outside of Scandinavia, too.
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That foot is conical so probably from the earlier part of 19th century although I'm sure someone will come along discredit everything I've stated....
Thanks TGS.
Your answer highlights another gap in my knowledge. When referring to conical bases, I've always been unsure as to what falls into this category. I have a number of drinking glasses where the top of the base looks conical like this, but the underside is mostly flat except where the pontil has been ground or polished out. I wasn't sure if the references to conical bases included these, or just glasses where the underside of the base was also quite deep or domed to stop pontil scars scratching against table surfaces.
Books don't seem to satisfactorily explain this for me, as it seems to be confused by the transition from folded rims to polished pontils.
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it's likely that the majority of 'smallish' drinking glasses from the C19 and much of the C20 have some degree of conical ism to the shape of the top of the foot, and of these most will have a flatish underside - it may simply be aesthetics and/or tradition. As mentioned by Jeff, historically - so the explanation goes - such glasses had originated with high conical shape to the their feet to avoid the pontil scar from scratching the table, though the days when a conical shape was essential were long gone even by the year 1800. For my money too, feet with a conical appearance always look better than flat feet.
To say .................... "That foot is conical so probably from the earlier part of 19th century" ……….. is misleading - not deliberately of course, and the glass in question may well have that sort of age, but that's to ignore the fact as I've said, that a big proportion of well-made glasses over the past two hundred years will frequently show some degree of a conical foot.
I seem to recall we chatted about folded feet some few years back, and the fold - possibly Italian crystallo in origin - was created to strengthen the edge of the foot, rather than having anything to do with pontil scars, in the same way that some of the Murano houses created folded top rims. In the U.K., the folded foot made a temporary re-appearance some time c. 1820 - 1830, and of course it's been a Murano feature for much of the early and mid C20 on some of their impossibly thin creations.
IIRC, the reason why first half C18 drinking glasses were left with high domed feet - and the untreated scar - was more due to a lack of technical inability to properly remove the scar - thus you needed a high foot. When they did begin to achieve this c. 1760, then the high domes were phased out, although some degree of dome remained.
Sorry - can't offer anything worthwhile as to a possible date for this piece - it may well not be British.