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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: AdrianW on May 31, 2020, 04:13:41 AM
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Hello again,
I'm back, with yet another puzzling ID request.
Does anyone have any idea who the maker of this cameo vase with a redcurrant decor is?
Combination of cut and etched decoration I think.
Very detailed, and extremely high quality work.
Polished pontil.
No makers mark.
The quality, and the patterns around the neck/base make me think of Thomas Webb.
The colour of the decor suggests Legras, but it's not marked, and it's far higher quality than my other Legras piece; or indeed any other Legras pieces I've seen so far.
If I were to guess an age I'd say somewhere between 1900-1920.
It definitely has some age to it.
Any ideas?
Stay well,
Adrian
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Looks very fine work, think this might be described as intaglio cut. Stevens and Williams must be worth exploring.
Take a look at this thread, the final post is interesting too:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68085.0.html
John
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Thank you John, I think that's an excellent suggestion!
I've found a similar vase, with a similar colourway and similar chevron design on the CMOG site:
https://www.cmog.org/article/frederick-carder-stevens-williams
Attributed to Frederick Carder for Stevens and Williams
https://www.cmog.org/sites/default/files/images/69.2.46_RGB-apd.jpg?itok=BiI0PzcC
I've also found a vase with the same shape, attributed to Stevens and Williams:
http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/images/Stephens%20&%20Williams%20Cameo%20vase%20Blackberry.jpg
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The chevrons on yours point the other way though and the bulb of your vase is more rugby than football
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Thank you Christine; as you say, it's not a perfect match.
Any better/other suggestions?
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Galle?, probably would have a mark somewhere, or other French?
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Hi Nev,
Thank you for the suggestion. No definitely no Gallé signature that I can see, nor can I find any makers mark on it at all.
It also feels different to my Gallé piece, both physically, and stylistically.
I can see where you're coming from though; it could be French - as I mentioned it bears a passing resemblance to Legras Rubis, but: a) No Legras signature either, and b) It's far higher quality work than any other Legras piece I've seen to date.
Whoever made it though, it's a stunning thing!
Thank you for your suggestion,
Stay well,
Adrian
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Hi Adrian.
This piece is a very beautiful and unusual Stourbridge cameo vase, most probably by Thomas Webb & Sons. It is not intaglio cut nor by Stevens & Williams.
http://antiquestourbridgeglass.co.uk/cold-decoration-navigation/cameo/about-cameo/
Regards
Dil.
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Thank you Dil! Thomas Webb was my first thought when I saw it, although Stevens & Williams does seem plausible too. Is there an easy way to distinguish the two?
I am interested in Stourbridge glass, so is it worth subscribing to that site in your opinion? So far I haven't signed up, as I can't see any of the content, and don't know whether there's actually anything there at all, let alone whether worth subscribing to; or whether it's simply there to harvest credit card details... Happy for you to PM me on that if you prefer?
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Hi Adrian.
In the absence of archive material, the answer I guess is experience and a process of elimination. The give away is the shape and the border decoration at the top.
As for the website it is my site, so I'm bound to say its worth it. I have been collecting Stourbridge glass for the best part of 40 years and the site is my way of recording my knowledge, rather than writing books. Every topic in the menu has at least one free page to view. There are approaching 500 pages with hundreds of images some with full 360 degree views. It is continually being expanded with a completely new "book" on Queens Burmese Ware to be made available in the coming weeks.
The premium membership gives access to the pattern books where the patterns have been extracted and collated for each specific topic; £10 of the additional membership fee is given to the British Glass Foundation for the upkeep of the new White House Cone Glass Museum. All payments are through PayPal I never see anybodies credit card details.
Best Regards
Dilwyn Hier
http://antiquestourbridgeglass.co.uk/
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Hi Dilwyn,
Sorry I was so cynical. I must say I realised the site was yours after the editing window had expired, and was wondering how you'd respond. Where's a foot in mouth smiley when you want one ;)
Thank you for explaining your reasoning for the identification. You're right, as with so many areas of antiques, experience is key.
I do wish more glassmakers marked their products though, particularly when they make something as beautiful as this vase!
Thanks again,
Adrian