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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: keith on July 14, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
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Presuming this to be English, 3.5 inches tall, nice bit of etching with snapped pontil mark, early Victorian maybe even Georgian, ;D ;D
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that's lovely :)
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Thanks M, wish there were more books on drinking glasses. ;D ;D
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Lovely glass, the glass looks very clear so probably not 18th. century but I think the rough pontil indicates 1800-1820 but maybe as late as 1850. The etching is unusual though, just a feeling, maybe a copy of a much earlier design?
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1800 would do me, still learning with drinking glasses ;D ;D
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Other sources have told me it's between 1800-1900. French or Bohemian ::) wish I'd never started on drinking glasses ! ;D ;D
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Hi, my first thought was it is similar in shape to this recent glass from Martyn1 that was continental, possibly Bohemian
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,69594.0.html
...but then there is this diamond engraved decanter that looks to have very similar engraving.
http://antiquedecanter.com/product/georgian-diamond-engraved-pattern-decanter-scalloped-stopper-1770-1790/
The decanter is said to be Georgian 1770 to 1790. Looking in McConnell, The Decanter, that date range looks roughly right for the decanter design (but nothing on the engraving though).
There is also this diamond engraved glass on worthpoint that I would say looks more English.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-georgian-engraved-diamond-1778577412
I realise there is always the possibility of copies and all the usual caveats etc but maybe late 18thC English. It’s lead glass is it?
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Taking measurements from the photo the foot is wider than the bowl, usually the sign of a Georgian glass (but not always). ;D
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Thanks Ekimp. the decanter and glass are very similar, great bit of research ta ;D,
Nev, will get the tape measure out in the morning ! ;D
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I think this may actually be not so old and continental, possibly Scandinavian. I’ve been looking at bechers recently and happened across this ‘Biedermeier Harlekinbecher’ (tumbler) dated to around 1820 with similar engraving:
https://www.glaswolf.de/Harlekinbecher_um_18.285+B6YmFja1BJRD0yODUmcHJvZHVjdElEPTE5MTEyJnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTI4NSZkZXRhaWw9.0.html
Searching Harlekin (Harlequin in English just has lots of miss matched glass) I came across this set:
http://hartogsohn.dk/galleri/glas/attachment/dsc00472/
You can see that the glaswolf c1820 Harlekinbecher is a perfect match with the set and your glass looks like those at the back on the right (can I see the shadow of worn gilding in your second photo in the middle panel?). I can’t quite decipher that the set is attributed to any period or maker but looks vintage to me - in a large set - and would say 1820 is unlikely.
Another similar set here:
https://www.barnebys.com/auctions/lot/glas-med-harlekin-slebne-baegre-18-ahqgtgvoju
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Thanks Ekimp,knew collecting drinking glasses would be a problem ::) ;D ;D
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...an opportunity for a solution ;D
Found it! (The pattern anyway) It was in McConnell The Decanter all along but under pre-war modernism.....Kosta Odelberg!
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Shall look that one up,ta ;D ;D
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I wonder if these patterns were copied from 'pattern books' because this diamond etched with star patter along with the little vertical oval polished band is shown in Das Bohmische Glas Band II on page 202 plate II.297. It's on a straight sided tumbler. Listed as probably South Bohemian and as start of the 19th century.
m