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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: glassobsessed on July 23, 2020, 06:26:19 PM
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This is one of the most remarkable pieces of glass I have ever had the good fortune to purchase, a dekelpokal or covered goblet standing 23"/59cm tall and weighing almost 5kg.
The green is a uranium glass, most has been cut away to reveal the white underneath, the white does not appear to be opalescent. The foot is hollow, that small hole on the base is a curio, not sure of the purpose.
I am tentatively dating it to circa 1845 given the similarities to the white alabaster glass with pink overlay shown in photo IV.3 of the PDF that flying free linked to here:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,69749.msg388727.html#msg388727
The spiral or rope cut and the small flower bouquets match pretty well.
Opinions please and would the style be described as Biedermeier?
John
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I've got the popcorn and I have settled in, waiting for Flying-free.
I suspect Biedermeier is right.
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Heck of a find John :o ;D ;D ;D
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Great bought, i´m jealous ;D
I´ll eat my hat if this not bohemian and Biedermeier.
I´ve a Biedermeier Egermann lamp, the cutting is quite similar and a couple of Biedermeier drinking glasses, all have similar cuttings
Monika
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No hat eating please, I would not want to feel responsible for the indigestion caused and the loss of head coverings. ;D
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Amazing piece of Biedermeier, as the base is hollow I assume the hole is for releasing the air inside, as was the practice with ceramic pieces.
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Okay, after three of you have said Biedermeier then Biedermeier it is! Thank you.
I think the hole in the base was made with a drill, it looks that way with a loupe. Presumably that would have been after it had cooled.
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Is there anything else it could possibly be?
(I'm being serious.) ;D
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ooh what a fab find!
I think it's milchglas rather than alabasterglas where with alabasterglas as I understand it the white is not opalescent but is fairly translucent. Yours looks opaque rather than translucent (or rather more opaque than translucent). I'll try and find the thread with my alabasterglas with overlay blue cruet on to show the difference.
If it were mine my first investigations would be Adolfhutte bei Winterberg - the white of the glass somehow makes me lean towards this first, and the design and also the enamelling- an example here:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/dr-fischer/catalogue-id-fischer10024/lot-38961498-15ec-4f96-b011-a72400f50b1e
and another option maybe Annathal bei Schuttenhofen (It has a large polished pontil mark? - I don't know about Meyr's Neffe/Adolfhutte but that pontil mark feels as though it would be right for Annathal).
These are just my thoughts - always open to correction.
I'll get the books out on Monday and have a good trawl through to see if I can find similar to help.
m
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Yes definitely an opaque white rather than a white alabaster glass, the example in that photo (IV.3 of the PDF) is alabaster however.
Working today so won't be able to get back to this until later.
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The Adolfhutte bei Winterberg white cup with blue overlay has the same cut circles and gilded line in the centre of the spiral cuts. Excellent spot flying free thank you.
This mug on Pinterest is also a uranium green over opaque white:
https://cz.pinterest.com/pin/490540584416192354/
I would not describe the pontil mark as oversized, definitely not as large as the wide polished pontil marks found on some Stevens & Williams wares.