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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: NevB on October 14, 2020, 03:08:02 PM
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These are rather innocuous looking amber uranium glass sundae/dessert? dishes but they give by far the highest Geiger counter reading I've registered in my collection. I think they are probably Bohemian and have a slightly swirly pontil mark and I think date from around 1900. So far I've not found anything exactly the same online.
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Nice. I would bet they are English (perhaps Walsh Walsh golden amber) or even American (Heisey Marigold). Are they lead crystal? And the rims look fire polished to me. A close-up of the engraving would be good
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1961
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=2490
They are too golden for Stevens and Williams Cairngorm. I've never seen Bohemian uranium glass in this sort of shade
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Thanks Christine, I've checked them and I think they come out at under 2.4gms/cc. so that makes them soda glass. I'll take some more photos in daylight and post them tomorrow.
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Christine, here are a couple of close ups, these are the best I could do as they don't photograph very easily.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TWO-VINTAGE-WALSH-CRYSTAL-FRUITING-VINE-DESIGN-GRAPEFRUIT-SUNDAE-GLASS-DISHES-/392272499048?nma=true&si=5%252BuRNWj%252BMH0JDXn9FrvzGgo3GLo%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 I've just found these with a very similar decoration, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-JOHN-WALSH-YELLOW-URANIUM-GLASS-PEDESTAL-VASE-SIGNED-C-1900/202080295324 and this which appears to have a similar method of construction
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I think Walsh Walsh's fruiting vine has polished leaves so that wouldn't be their engraving as far as I know.
I don't think the construction looks the same as the one you linked to by the way.
The merese and stem shape are different.
What size are they please? Width across rim, height and width across foot?
The construction of the stem and the shape does look like the Stevens and Williams sherberts that I own though. But not your description of the pontil mark.
However I have a yellow one which was apparently Cairngorm according to the book, and the colour is different, more yellow, although that could be because it's Cairngorm cased over alabaster according to the book, and not 'self-coloured' i.e. in the pot.However it fits with what Christine says about the colour being different. I don't think it's uranium glass either but just off to check. Christine is the S&W Cairngorm always uranium do you know? I'm just bearing in mind other possible incorrect information in the book.
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,56212.msg318551.html#msg318551
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Hello flyingfree, they are 7cm. tall, 9cm. across the rim and 6.5cm. across the foot. By construction I meant the way they are put together more than the actual design of them.
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That is exactly the size of my three S&W alabaster sherberts! Bearing in mind the odd one or two millimetre variation on rim width and foot width. Although that might be the kind of 'standard size' for sherberts perhaps.
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Mine are very similar but not identical to the pink sherbet in the third photo of your link. I'll investigate further.
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The stem on yours is taller making the bowl shape slightly shallower (given they're the same height pieces).
I checked all three of mine and they are all the same shape, shorter stem than yours and same bowl shape/size as each other i.e. deeper than yours.
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That's not Walsh Walsh fruiting vine as M says. Have you flicked them to see if they ring. I still think English or US
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Yes they do ring Christine, being hand made each has a different note, when tapped it's a bit like "hi de hi" ;D.
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Steuben made Jade range (I think they're referred to as Jades?) sherberts like the S&W ones but with a taller stem.
However, I can't see that they made this colour uranium glass? and wondering about the grape and vine decoration?
Edited- just checked this Steuben one out and the size doesn't match. It appears to be larger although I guess they might have come in different sizes maybe?
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2pc-steuben-frederick-carder-jade-1728550737
The Corning gives the various sizes for each component part here:
https://www.cmog.org/artwork/2-sherbert-glasses?search=collection%3Ac3085afa8ef155678cc5ff0db685e42a&page=3
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If they ring and don't thunk, then it's lead glass
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I have to disagree with you on this one Christine. A piece of soda glass will also ring if it is finely made and the shape is right, and vice versa a heavily moulded piece of lead glass will not ring. There is a post at the top of this glass section asking how to identify lead glass and the only true way is to find its density i.e. by dividing its weight by its volume to give gms./cm3. From research soda glass weighs up to 2.4gms./cm3. and lead glass anything from about 3.2gms./cm3 up to 4.1gms./ cm3. or even higher. The big problem with this is finding the volume of an irregularly shaped piece but there are a couple of methods using water displacement to do this.
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Not sure if these are the same colour exactly but they seem to have a similar vine pattern so adding them for comparison and a different shape:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-Rare-Uranium-Bohemian-Cut-Amber-Frosted-Crystal-Bowls-Matching-Pair/352863915220?hash=item5228540cd4:g:e1cAAOSwhBFd2CSR
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They do look very alike, but again I'm not convinced on the Bohemian
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Yes agree. Unfortunately although they are a different shape it's not particularly a shape which might help id :-\
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I initially thought they were Bohemian because you see a lot of wine glasses with the "beehive" stem and the same leaf and vine decoration, although some are later and made in France, but I don't think these are French.
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You mean a roemer? yes, it is seen on those but I think it was a pretty prolific design generally for wine glasses, so unfortunately it's not a good identifier on this occasion.
I've just checked out the book and lots of Walsh fruiting vine and it does all appear to have the polished leaves.
So far your bowl depth and stem height don't match with any S&W I've found.
I'm wondering about Webb Corbett? Might they have done something like this? I have a piece which is cased in uranium amber glass.
Also Christine if you're reading- do you think these might be uranium glass ? Val St Lambert:
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/607547883/val-st-lambert-theodule-pattern-amber?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details
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Can't see anything to indicate they are. All the uranium VSL I've got is yellow