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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: NevB on October 30, 2020, 03:29:53 PM
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I bought this online in the hope that it was uranium glass and had a Walsh mark, sadly neither :(. It is 10" across, has a domed foot, a partially ground pontil with just a ring of rough glass and has some age. It doesn't appear to be as bubbly as it might be for Pompeian and I'm not sure if Walsh made Pompeian in non-uranium green, but I'm still hopeful. It was sold as possibly being by "White Friers".
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Looks more like Stevens & Williams Peat glass to me.
Some examples
John
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Thanks glassobsessed, that'll do me ;D. I'll investigate further.
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A green example, with etched mark apparently:
https://www.lyonandturnbull.com/auction/lot/45-keith-murray-for-stevens--williams/?lot=107230&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=8681&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=1&pp=24&pn=2&g=1
another green vase, this time an image from Pinterest:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/7d/42/907d42a5b6aace0f75ab0a2cb46ca77c.jpg
and a third green vase:
https://www.mimiroberts.co.uk/en-GB/20th-century-glass/green-bubble-vase-keith-murray/prod_10989#.X51EUFDgqUk
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Thanks very much John, I was just about to reply regarding the Keith Murray/ S&W/ Royal Brierly connection which makes me very happy. I thought my bowl had something interesting about it when I bought it and it wasn't expensive ;D. I also have a pair of bottles/vases with a similar finish to one of your photos which I'll post.
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I couldn't find any reference to S&W "Peat" design but I have found it called "silver rain",
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Don't remember where the name Peat came from now, on page 148, 20th Century British Glass by Charles Hajdamach it states the range is called "Sapphire Cased Bubbly" and "Cased Bubbly" in the pattern books. The first design for a pink bucket shaped vase has the pencil annotation added "Silver Showers" - a far more romantic sounding name and no surprise it has been picked up by sellers.
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Thanks John, yes a much nicer name.
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hang on ... do we know this was a S&W shape? There were other companies that made bubbly glass.
And can you describe the pontil mark please? Is it smoothly round cut and polished. It looks rough at the edges to me on the photograph looking down from above?
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Here's a photo of the pontil mark, it has been partially ground leaving just a ring of rough glass. I've seen some other S&W vases which have this feature, also the same sort of irregularly sized and shaped bubbles and the same rim. John's first photo shows a similar shape but I haven't found one exactly like mine.
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The pontil mark is a bit off-putting and I'd been wondering about maybe something made for Elwell?
There is more information here though on the S&W bubble pieces, especially from Nigel :
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52893.msg300805.html#msg300805
It does look the same shape as John's though.
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I can only surmise that the earlier pieces had this sort of pontil and that as the company moved into the Royal Brierley era they were fully ground out.
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No, I don't go along with that to be honest.
I've Stevens and Williams alabaster pieces that date to from 1914 and they have beautifully finished and polished pontil marks for example.
The pontil mark doesn't look right to me. I mean it might be a feature of a particular range of glass (trying to make it look old etc) but generally I wouldn't think S&W were making stuff with unpolished pontil marks.
John, if you're reading, do your pieces have polished pontil marks?
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All had polished marks, that does tend to make this one either an anomaly or a n other.
If the glass at the base of the green bowl was thin then polishing away the mark could have left a hole. About all I can come up with...
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I now have a strong feeling that this is made by the French company La Verrerie de Biot. Decent photos are few and far between but I eventually found this. https://www.ricardo.ch/fr/a/biot-glasschale-fruechteschale-gross-1075419048/
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Biot is a possibility. I did consider it but two things - it is usually marked in my experience but I don't know if it's always marked, and the bright green colour of your bowl which seems different to their greens.
Is your bowl shape identical to the one you linked to?
Are your original photos colour enhanced? the green is very bright on my monitor.
I would certainly veer towards something else other than S&W though.
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Yes the green has been enhanced to give a true reflection of it's colour, perhaps this hasn't been done in the other photos you've seen. The shape looks to be the same and mine also has the same bubbles, domed foot and pontil mark.
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https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,11470.0.html I hope this link works, it's quite interesting.
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Nev,if you click on the button 'report to moderator' you could ask one of the mods when they have time to move the thread back in to Glass just until the maker has been fully established?
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Thanks flying free, I was going to ask for it to be moved as I'm convinced it is by Biot. It matches exactly the images in the English Verriere catalogue in the link in my last post but I think it's a French original. The other information in the link seems to confirm this.