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Title: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: fatbelly on December 19, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
Hello All.
I could not resist this piece with the purples and greens the bubbles and white body.
My question is would this be pre war or post war.I struggled to find the colour on Ysart glass but it might just be my old eyes.
Keep safe all.
Thanks in advance
FB
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 19, 2020, 02:55:47 PM
I have a funny feeling this is rather early.  :)
I have a little bowl in this colourway (couldn't resist it!) with no button on the bottom. The bottom is incredible. The whole piece is very, very finely blown, yet not one bubble is broken. The base is polished flat, with a round polished pontil mark, and how that was achieved on something so delicate and thin, with bubbles throughout the base, stuns me every time I see it.
Something is ringing bells at me that my brother might have said something about it being pre-war.  ;D
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: fatbelly on December 19, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
Thanks Chopin.
I was hoping it was early.Not that it matters as it’s a beauty.
This piece also has no popped bubbles and there are hundreds all over the body.
Do you know the colour code?
FB
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 19, 2020, 04:06:22 PM
No, sorry. I don't pay much attention to dates or codes. I just like looking at and studying the glass itself.
Dates and codes are just extra, extra-difficult labels to remember and the strings of numbers and letters don't seem connected to what I'm looking at in any meaningful way.
What is most important about my bowl is that it is mine.  ;D

I've found piccies of mine.
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: fatbelly on December 19, 2020, 07:57:46 PM
That’s a match alright.
Might have been made at the same time.
Lovely to see.
FB
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 19, 2020, 08:19:09 PM
 ;D It's a wee beauty. 8)
I'm sure the colour code is on Scotland's Glass. It is a well known one - although not that easy to find.
I was trying to catch the polished round scar in those base pics, but it didn't show itself.
It can't be more than 2mm thick at the thickest part. But it still contains beautiful bubbles, and the hollow of the scar. It was made using not exactly the best quality glass recipes, they were not available at that time, so it's even more impressive.
I do rather prefer your big vase - it's a wonderful shape.  8)
My wee bowl is a bit angular for my liking. :'(

ETA.
I've had a shifty at the catalogue but didn't find this. 392 seemed closest.

For reference, link to Ysart glass on Frank's site.

http://ysartglass.com/index.htm
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: millarart on December 30, 2020, 05:23:11 PM
lovely vase, i have a globe lamp pre war in same colorway
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 30, 2020, 05:28:27 PM
The colours should be on top.  ;D
Trust you to have something as scarce as a globe lamp in this wonderful and somewhat unusual colourway, Gary.  :P ;D
But pleased you reckon pre-war too.  :)
Do you know dates or colour codes for the gentleman who wishes to know?
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: millarart on December 30, 2020, 06:41:53 PM
yup 1929 on, colour code is around 240ish onwards
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 30, 2020, 06:49:07 PM
Thank-you, Gary. I was pretty sure you would.  :-*
I don't suppose you want to swap your lamp for my lovely little bowl?  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: millarart on December 30, 2020, 07:09:08 PM
mmmmmmm better not or my ceiling bowl would feel lonely without it  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 30, 2020, 07:28:22 PM
Two lampshades, Gary? Two?
Now, now, you know the rules. One is an example, two is a mistake, three is a collection.
You currently have a mistake.
I can cure it.  :D
I'll take the ceiling plafont and you can keep your globe. 8) ;D
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: millarart on December 30, 2020, 08:08:03 PM
lol im sure il have more yet
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 30, 2020, 08:25:38 PM
You'll run out of ceilings, if you haven't already. ;D
I will stop wibbling now. Sorry mods. No need to send us to the cafe. I think I've worried Gary enough.
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: glassobsessed on December 31, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Sold this shade a while back but it looks like the same colour combo, very thick glass with several annealing cracks near the fitting from memory. My lights and the dark background help to accentuate the colours used I think.

John
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: fatbelly on December 31, 2020, 11:31:14 PM
Lovely pieces in the same colour way.Love the globe light.
Thanks for the pre war confirmation and the colour code.
Looks like it’s a scare colour to find.
FB
Title: Re: Monart SA vase pre or post war?
Post by: millarart on January 08, 2021, 06:49:38 PM
Lovely pieces in the same colour way.Love the globe light.
Thanks for the pre war confirmation and the colour code.
Looks like it’s a scare colour to find.
FB
great shade