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Title: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: Vix on December 20, 2020, 11:07:56 AM
Hello,
This is my first post so please be patient. I picked up this art glass bowl yesterday-it seemed to have a special something about it to me at least. It is a murky pink with decorations of swirls around the rim in many colours and swirls. It has a large shiny Pontic mark on the bottom and is quite heavy. It measures 9.5 inches at its widest. It weighs 1.146kg. I’m attaching photos for help. If anyone knows anything about it I’d be grateful. I’ve scoured the internet for too many hours and am still flummoxed!
Many thanks in advance.
Vix
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: keith on December 20, 2020, 12:22:11 PM
Hello and welcome, looks like you have a piece of Scottish glass, Strathearn maybe Vasart  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: Vix on December 20, 2020, 01:01:47 PM
Ooh, I have seen those words in my lengthy searches! Thank you so much. I will continue my investigations.
Cheers
Vix
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 20, 2020, 02:04:54 PM
It is definitely Scottish, and from the Ysart school.
The harlequin canes around the edge look rather busily and colourfully Perthshire, as do the neat, tight sworls, but the button on the base over the pontil scar, I think, is inconsistent with Perthshire and would suggest Monart or Vasart. My guts would go with Monart, because of the more sophisticated Perthshire looking canes and sworls.
Strathearn would/should have had the leaping salmon logo impressed into the button.
It's too bright and tight, (to me) for Vasart.

You may need a proper Ysart collector to find out which maker exactly. I'm just an interested onlooker. :)
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: keith on December 20, 2020, 02:48:05 PM
I'd listen to Sue !  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 20, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
I'm just looking at various clues I am aware of, but I'm not aware of everything.
A proper collector would know.
The "murkiness" of the pink is Monart-y. But it could be Vasart, if it was Salvador made it.
It's a very good piece.   
You have good taste, Vix.  ;D
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: Vix on December 20, 2020, 04:52:17 PM
Wow, you sound like an expert to me. Thanks Sue and all. It only cost me a pound! To be fair, when I bought it I had no idea if it was something special or from Homesense 😂 but on closer inspection, it seemed to have a certain something about it. I am a vintage trader but I don’t sell much glass because I don’t know much about it at all. But I would like to learn! I just never know where to begin. I totally appreciate all of your wisdom and having places like this to pick knowledgeable brains!
Thanks,
Vix.
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: KevinH on December 20, 2020, 11:31:46 PM
Sorry to be a bit pedantic, but what evidence is there to say that Paul Ysart did not make it in the post-war Monart period?

And if it is Vasart, which "Vasart" period are we thinking about- post-war Ysart Brothers Glass, trading name Vasart, 1946 to 1956, or very post-war Vasart Ltd (1956 to 1964)?
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 21, 2020, 01:28:36 PM
I don't know what evidence I should be looking for to answer those questions. I am very pleased you've commented Kev. It's you we need here. ;D
I don't recognise Paul's work, I just have a feeling, sometimes, for Salvador's. He gets a certain subtle softness into the way he works the colours.
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: KevinH on December 21, 2020, 09:38:56 PM
My response to Sue's comments (previous post) is that I say much the same things in respect of Ysart-style paperweights and related objects. My questions could simply be rhetorical musings.

Truth is, when it comes to details of who made what, and when, in the Ysart-style, I am just as lost as most other folk unless there is something particular to help us out.

As for the use, and working, of millefiori canes in a bowl or vase etc., again there has to be something more obvious than just a delicate whorl of colour, or a partial hint at a partial cane to, help derive a possible ID.

I agree the bowl shown here is very good in terms of colour balance and form. But "who and when" ...  ???
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: flying free on December 21, 2020, 10:03:13 PM
ooh I didn't know Vasart used a button pontil (or I hadn't remembered).

Did Vasart always mark their stuff with the matchstick dipped writing? Or was that a particular time period or just random?
Title: Re: Art glass bowl with pontil-maker needed
Post by: KevinH on December 21, 2020, 10:33:45 PM
for info on sigs and bases, see:
https://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/IDguide1.htm

Note that for paperweights from Ysart Brothers Glass (Vasart) [1st period 1946 to 1956] the acid signing was not a regular occurrence. Also those weights with signatures may, or may not, include parts of: "Ysart Bros Made in Scotland".

I am not sure whether any weights from that period were acid signed "Vasart".