Glass Message Board
Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: bat20 on April 23, 2021, 12:31:34 PM
-
Hi ,great to be out again hunting.I think this piece is late 19c vaseline glass,two questions the obvious anyone know a maker ,and secondly would it have had a frog ?thanks .
-
Is there any wear inside where a frog would have been placed?
Personally, I would suspect not.
What a lovely and interesting find for your first time out. ;D
-
I think I'd call it clear and blue/white opaline cased glass. Looks like one of the Stourbridge makers and I think your date is about right.
-
It doesn't look like white opaline to me, Nev. It looks more uranium and opalescent over blue, cased in clear. ???
-
Here’s some more photos,It has a quality ring to it if that helps any....can’t find my torch !
-
The Pontil is Matt rather than shiny
-
If the colour is correct there, it DOES look like white opaline.
Nev might have been seeing it better than I did. :-[
-
I can't work out if the clear is on the outside or inside. If the pontil is matt I assume the opaline is on the outside.
-
I really don’t know enough about the craft but I’m thinking the white was the main body then the inside cased in blue followed by the rim and inside in clears glass ?.Add to that the enamelling being hand painted !, a lot of work I would say .Got to find my torch I still think it may glow ?
-
Casings go over the initial gather. The first gather would have been blue (if that is the layer inside) then the white or opalescent layer, finally the clear, would be the most logical way to have done this.
It's built up from the first gather, like onion rings. :)
-
Thank you Sue , really interesting.So someone who knows his onions !
-
Could the clear have been trailed onto the rim and then pinched ?
-
It's possible. :)
A while back, I had an old frilly edged uranium plate with extra shaping like this, (I think it eventually went to Pamela's Museum :) ) and I found out that the extra shaping was done after the frills, by slumping. It was an extra bit of work carried out for each individual piece, to get the big dips and humps. But it was just the one colour of glass.
To find out if there is clear casing over the body, try looking at the very edge of the base, with a light source behind it. (I use the strong lights over the kitchen hob) Wiggle it around a bit to see if you can make anything out on the outside. ;D
With the wiggling, try to find a way of seeing the very surface from the side on - so it appears thicker. ;D
-
This is almost certainly Bohemian. The clear will be an applied rim. It is possible that the first gather was the opaline (which my or may not be uranium glass but definitely isn't vaseline (yellow uranium) glass) and that the blue was a much smaller gather blown into the opaline until it adhered. This is quite a common method of applying a thin layer of colour. Applied rims are common too. It probably didn't have a frog though it might have had a metal handled frame.
-
One of the contestants, Patrick Primeau, in Blown Away, blew a bubble inside another one, but it looked terribly difficult. He did it to create bulging eye parts poking out of a diver's helmet.
I did not know it was a common thing to try to do. Thanks for enlightening me. :-*
-
Thanks very much everyone for the input ,really appreciated .I’ll be back on this one when I find my torch or get another.
-
Think it glows a bit
-
Hi - I hate to be picky about subject headings, but 'custard glass' - how was that arrived at? The obvious assumption is that tapping on this one would bring up a custard glass - surely the heading should be changed. :)
-
Happy for the heading to be changed….Don’t think it’s the only mistake on the ste 😂😂
-
;D ;D
-
There are two definitions for custard glass in the glass world - one is a glass item for holding custard, the other is a type of glass as described in the Glass Encyclopedia here http://www.glassencyclopedia.com/custardglass.html - hope that helps. Neither definition seems to apply to the item in this topic though! :)
-
;D thanks. - this piece has done well for a varied amount of descriptive association ............. flower frog, opaline, vaseline, custard. This one would obviously hold custard, but then most shapes with a cavity of sorts would do the same so seems zero mileage in that direction. How are we qualifying the use of the word opaline - it isn't simply opaque coloured glass.