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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: essi on April 30, 2021, 07:49:24 PM
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Bought this today, very pleased.
The bowl is 12 inches diameter and 3.5 inches tall (310mm x 87mm) and weighs 2.8kgs.
The lead crystal cutting does not seem to have been acid polished after cutting.
Does anyone have an idea of the range of glass it is from, the designer or the date of manufacture ?
Any help appreciated,
Tim
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Hi Tim,
I've got Nigel's booklet on my lap.
Tudor Crystal was the trade name used by the Stourbridge Glass Company. (p35)
The story of the company and its work is a bit complicated - not helped by the war years.
Do you have "Art deco to post modernism"?
This is my personal opinion. There is not a whole load of Tudor "out there". It has a quality that sings out loud. While glass is a cold hard substance, and cold cut work can be very harsh, something about Tudor has a very natural seeming softness and elegance.
I have a set of fabulous Tudor wineglasses which belonged to my grandfather, which was what first aroused my interest in Tudor. I had loved them since I was a toddler.
I have since found a gorgeous jam thingy, and a small champagne. :)
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Thanks Sue, you are right about there not being a lot of information or images out there.
I do have that booklet , alas it only has two images.
The bowl screams quality.
This image of the mark was hard to photograph.
In the British glass between the wars book it states this mark was used 1930's onward.
Tim.
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:) I'm pleased you've got Nigel's booklet. I was wilting at the idea of trying to give you info from it without copying out far too much. ;D
This is an image of my Grandpa's wine glass. The mark is the same as you show.
I have no pics of my jam thingy. :'(
The bowl of that has been hot shaped gently into an octagon shape at the rim and there are 4 lens cuts down the corners, getting slightly squashed and ovel shaped towards the bottom. It's very unusual.
I have felt the edges of the cuts and they do feel acid polished - they're not sharp.
The small champagne I have is the same thistle pattern as the wines.
I have tracked the wine glass down on replacements.com and they date to '52.
I am pleased that you think your Tudor is something of exceptional quality. It supports my notion that Tudor is "a cut above others". ;D
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Not much to add. After further examination i think the cutting on the bowl was acid dipped.
The cut feature around the rim of the bowl is not acid dipped as i think this has been add later to sort out rim chips.
would still be nice to find a designer and an approximate year of manufacture.
Tim
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Neglected to say Sue your glasses look excellent and the family connection makes it even better.
Tim
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Cut glass is difficult to photograph, and that's the only pic I have which I can post. The thistles are vastly superior to the famous Edinburgh ones. ;D
Knowing the date of my glass is @ '52 (which fits perfectly with my Grandpa retiring and coming home for good in '51) puts it in the period when the experienced Walsh Walsh workers moved there and had some influence of designs and output, and before they went back to more traditional stuff in the 60s.
Even a date for your charger would help. I wouldn't call it absolutely "traditional" as far as the cutting is concerned. Do you think it is art cut? Semi-art cut?
Reading the complicated story, is there anytime you think your charger would fit?
Is there any chance it would be found on replacements? I haven't ever checked for anything other than glasses. :-[
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I've just found some pics of my jam thing. 8)
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And a couple of poor pics of the champagne with the wine glass. (sorry for the quality of pic)
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Thanks for posting your items of Tudor glass Sue. Both very nice piece's.
I have the 20th century British glass book by Charles Hajdamach which has a few mentions of Tudor glass but not much in depth information.
I will keep researching this bowl and if anything crops up i will keep you posted.
Tim
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:) I have been paying attention to anything Tudor since I became interested in glass, although cut stuff isn't my thing. I'd adored Grandpa's glasses since I was a toddler and wanted to find out more about them. I really haven't found much.
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Educate me Sue,why is the hexagon bowl glass a jam thingy?
I am intrigued .
Tim
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I'd forgotten the word confiture. It escaped me for a couple of days. :-[
Thingy is a useful word when the correct one vanishes. ;D
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I like the sound of that :), iv'e learnt something today. Thanks
Tim