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Title: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: Roobarb on May 11, 2021, 11:22:55 AM
Hello, I wondered if anyone knew anything about this piece? It has writing on it which finishes with "from Monmartre" but unsure of the rest. Assume therefore it's French but any other info would be great. The sticker which I assume is from an antique store it was once in says it's c1900-1910 :)
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: NevB on May 11, 2021, 01:47:00 PM
There is some confusion between opalescent glass which is translucent like yours and opaline glass which is opaque. I may be wrong but from the gilding and the smoothed pontil I think it is Bohemian, possibly Harrach? What the abbreviated writing means I can't work out, possibly it's some sort of personalisation for identification purposes. The date looks about right.
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: NevB on May 11, 2021, 01:59:40 PM
The writing could be short for " Souvenir du Sacre Coeur de Montmartre" a souvenir of the Sacred Heart Basilica.
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: Roobarb on May 11, 2021, 02:04:55 PM
Hi NevB, I'm so confused about opaline glass  :D I've Googled it I don't know how many times but still get a bit confused - especially because the label on this said opaline. I did think this was opalescent from what I'd read - because it's translucent but then the label threw me all over again  :D Thank you for confirming! Thanks for your replies, I'll look into Harrach and the souvenir possibility!
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: NevB on May 11, 2021, 02:19:31 PM
Yes if you Google opaline glass you mostly get images of opalescent glass. Here are a couple of photos, the vase is opalescent, the dish opaline.
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 11, 2021, 04:19:48 PM
Looks Bohemian to me too. Lots of souvenir ware came from there
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 11, 2021, 05:41:48 PM
The difference between opalescent and opaline is that if you hold it up to the light, you will see a "fire" inside opalescent glass; opaline is plain and the same colour all the way through.
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: flying free on May 11, 2021, 05:52:01 PM

I think this is classed opalescent not opaline glass.

If it was a souvenir from Sacre Couer would it be more likely to have a religious emblem/design on it probably of the church?
But thinking along those lines though, perhaps Sr. du S. C. de Montmartre is a short for Souer du Sacre Couer de Montmartre?
So it may have belonged to the sisters perhaps.  Is that a possible?

I also think it's Bohemian :) The enamelling design, the base yellow enamel and the way it's made cut at the top with no pontil mark.

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Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: NevB on May 12, 2021, 08:27:06 AM
flying free, I think it's more likely to be souvenir than soeur, I don't know if nuns would own anything as frivolous as this. I can't find anything similar but perhaps it's a "bootleg" item not an official souvenir.
Title: Re: Opaline Enamelled Glass Vase With Monmartre Writing
Post by: Roobarb on May 12, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
Thank you all for your replies and help with opaline / opalescent  :)

Will keep looking into Bohemian glass for this one...