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Title: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on August 18, 2021, 07:35:39 PM

Bohemian cobalt blue gilded Becher for show. I believe its pewter overlay rather than silver.

I am not saying its uranium but it does have a soft green glow under uv light.

Height 7" and weighs 632gm.

Thanks for looking.
Roy

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on August 18, 2021, 07:36:46 PM

one more picture.

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: bat20 on August 18, 2021, 07:58:15 PM

Wow, that is beautiful,..they can’t have used them!,could they ?

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: Paul S. on August 18, 2021, 08:09:32 PM

manganese glow, Mike, do you think ?

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: Paul S. on August 19, 2021, 07:34:19 AM

apologies Roy - who Mike is I've no idea ;D

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: flying free on August 19, 2021, 12:20:33 PM

can we see a photo of the base of the foot please?

Thanks.

m

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on August 19, 2021, 04:53:11 PM

Pic of base.

Thanks for looking

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: flying free on August 22, 2021, 09:59:11 PM

I think it's around 1840 - the way the foot is cut with the separate sections is similar to many from that era as is the way the base is cut and the overall shape of the goblet with the waisted cut.  Although I've only seen one with the same arched outline and that was under a Neuwelt attribution as far as I could see.

I have seen this type of decoration before but as is the way, I can't find a comparison for the enamelling at the moment.  There are thousands to sift through in becher form - however if I spot one on my travels I'll come back to the thread and post.

I've been through the Neuwelt book and Das Bohmische Glas Band II but couldn't spot anything with similar enamelling unfortunately.

It's quite hard to see the enamelling but it looks on the photographs as though it is silver overlaid onto an enamel underlay decoration and that the silver may have worn off in places?  It's difficult to tell with the photos unfortunately.  Also silver does turn darker when it oxidises so that might be the effect your seeing perhaps?

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: flying free on October 25, 2021, 09:55:11 PM

This is an example of one with raised gilded decoration.

Different to yours but that same raised decoration type.
They have some references sources for the dating and id but I don't have those unfortunately.

They date theirs  to c.1835

https://www.anticoantico.com/en/items/88980/Rare-cup-of-the-first-phase-of-the-Biedermeier-period-North-Bohemia-the-city-of-Neuwelt-Novy-Svet-ca-1835

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: flying free on October 26, 2021, 11:23:41 PM

This is in one of the Museum collections.  It's rosaglas cased in clear but has a similar type of base and foot and although a different shape bowl it's also 'chunky' and thick cut panels.  They date it to c.1840
https://sbirky.moravska-galerie.cz/images/diela/MG./86/CZE_MG.U_28354/CZE_MG.U_28354.jpeg

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: Anne on October 27, 2021, 01:52:40 AM

On page 63 of the Schranky Vuni (The world of toilet glass) book by Jitka Lnenickova and Petr Novy, there is a blue perfume bottle with this type of base and decoration that is described as Bohemian, 1840s -1860s - the credit for the image is for the Muzeum hl. mesta Prahy Praha (Prague City Museum).

Title: Re: Antique Bohemian Cobalt Blue Gilded Pewter Overlay Becher For Show
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on October 28, 2021, 05:14:12 PM

Thank you both for your replies and links.

Roy