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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: LEGSY on September 11, 2021, 12:49:52 PM
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This bridged my senses and had to leave the shop with it as fell for the engraved body and the unusual shape
i have not seen this sort of thing in the flesh :) Wondered if it maybe of a type somebody has some experience
inn. The base has a nice polished scar and the piece seems good quality but not sure on anything else thanks for looking
Oh it stands 10.5"
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well, the person who wheel engraved this one looks to have been from the top draw - I couldn't have walked away without it either, and you're probably near the mark with ewer, though I might be tempted more with a serving bottle - could be wrong but not inclined to think it's a claret jug as the handle is set too low perhaps - is the handle attached bottom up? Is there any wear inside the top rim to suggest a stopper of some kind? Regret I can't offer anything definitive in the way of comparison - for dating etc. - but would suggest in view of the shape and engraving then something around 1860 - 1880 is a good possibility assuming this is genuine period and not a C20 copy. Are there any matching numbers near the rim? I'd suggest the rope twist handle is trying to provide a look of antiquity though the bottle is younger - what is the extent of wear if any?
Let's hope others will offer something more useful :)
Edited to add ............... if you have a copy of Wikinson's 'The Hallmarks of Antique Glass' - try page 92. This shows a rope twist handle on a stoppered heavily engraved, bulbous shaped claret decanter. Different body shape to this one, but of stunning engraving by, apparently, John Orchard ................... Wilkinson dates this to c. 1880.
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Great reply thank you Paul for your time in replying very much agree with your serving bottle definition
the bottle has never been stoppered and has a Neo-Classical border of sort very similar to English/Irish
decanters tulip & Olives borders also it has a Bucrania type decoration near the base of the rope twist
handle there is also ivy which is a later decoration unusual. The base has a thin few mm
line of wear around the base of the foot. Rope twist handle is three strand and seems to be nicely attached at
the top and pushed down at the base and squared off although i am not sure it was done this way around :(
When i purchased it i did put it back down at first but when i thought about it i couldn't leave it as it was cheaper
than a takeaway meal for two which i feel was a bargain :) ;)
(Sadly don't have a copy of the book)
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thanks - really is a cracker of a bottle. The handle methodology here does look to be top down - the amount of glass stuck to the body at the lower attachment is quite thin, compared to the later method which usually shows a substantial lump of glass used to mount the handle at that lower point, which obviously really does strengthen the join. Strap handles were another fairly common shape of handle. No idea quite why the top of the handle, on this one, is as low as it is. If you have McConnell's Decanter book, there are some amazing bottles shown there - under the heading of 'Victorian Engraving' - and in the first edition he includes a variety of top openings - some with pouring lips, others without, and one with rope twist handle.