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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: JOK on October 11, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
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Looks like a historicist design, made circa 1900-1920?, but any idea who might have made it? the colour is too dark for Powell probably. Maybe Continental or British. Thanks for your help
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Would you please add your images directly to the board so they remain accessible in the future? Many of the externally hosted images disappear after a while, leaving us lost as to what the item looked like. If it's easier for you (and with your consent) I can copy your images from your external hosting and add them here for you.
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I have an amber glass lamp with the same side decoration which I assumed dates to the early C20th. Haven't identified the maker for mine yet but I thought British - possibly Stuart or Webbs ? - not sure how either might fit with your vase.
Ian
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sorry to seem thick, but what sort of period/style does the expression 'historicist design' imply - are we talking arts and crafts, possibly? Agree, it looks way too dark for W/Fs, though some of the Powell designs in what was called 'facon de Venise' c. 1870s, do have sticky out bits, though not exactly like this one. Have to say that when I first saw this piece I had a sort of Chinese moment, but expect that's way off the truth.
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I assumed historicist referred to the ancient/Roman style of the applied loops, which immediately made me think of Beranek, but I couldn't find anything like this when I searched.
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it's always possible JOK meant to say historical - as in old - but I didn't get the impression it was implying ancient/Roman - but who knows. I don't know that I would be capable of using the word historicist correctly.
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Here you go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicism
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thanks - appreciate the link, and the meanings look to suggest that the word was probably misleading in the context of the glass in question - a mistake we all make occasionally. :) Of course I could be completely wrong again.
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Hi JOK,
Looking at the colour range of Webb's on the message board, I'm more inclined to match your vase and my lamp to Webb:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,56272.0.html
Unfortunately I don't seem to be able to add a photo my lamp here. I've done everything to get the size right but it keeps refusing to post it.
Ian
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agree Ian - T/Webb did a vast range of colours - possibly more than other houses, but, I think we'd be on taking a great risk in attributing this one to Webb based on the colour alone. These side loops/handles whatever, are intriguing and unusual.
sorry to hear of the problem with pix - if you download the freebie programme IrfanView, this might help. The first picture dimension should be about 700, but you can go to 900, provided the second is no more than about 650. Assume you're using a phone and not camera?
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Hi Paul,
Yes, I agree, attribution without anything more to go on is not possible, that's why I used "more inclined" - nothing positive, just leaning more in that direction.
The photos are taken by camera and adjusted with Photoshop on my Mac, but when I post, it just says it's forbidden. Never had a problem before.
Ian
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just a suggestion, but if you'd like send a couple to me I'll do best to upload for you.
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Photo of my lamp
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Used the i-pad which got round the problem of the photo. You'll notice the same side decoration as on JOK's vase.
Ian
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Both the vase and lamp base have the look of 1920s Murano to me, I can not find the designs in any of my books but they are a very long way from being comprehensive.
A couple of questions:
Is the green vase a single blown vessel and not two pieces joined?
Is each arc of the handle a separate piece of glass? It looks like they are, I suspect this is not typical, hopefully it might be useful.
John
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I can see where you're coming from, John - shades of Zechin Martinuzzi in there.
With regard to the lamp, I can't find any point that suggests individual loops. It appears to be one continuous piece of glass that's looped and pressed into the body of the lamp as it tapers up to the top.
Ian
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Good, more comfortable with a single piece, multiple sections did seem to be an anomaly. The single transparent colour is reminiscent of Vittorio Zecchin as well, what does not fit though with Zecchin's designs is the thickish foot that your lamp and the vase both have. Maybe made by another company in a similar style.
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The lampbase is definitely by the same manufacturer/designer. But yes it is quite heavy glass with a thick foot and the pontil is quite well polished, also a lot of wear on the base, so I would think the age is pre 1940/50s maybe. The body walls are about 5mm thick, so much heavier than Zecchin glass I think.
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