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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: marg44 on September 05, 2006, 01:47:46 PM
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I've been told this is a Sabino vanity or pin bowl.Does anyone know how old it might be? It is not marked. Is the Sabino pieces marked? It measures 4 2/4" across.Also would anyone know aprox. the value? I'am thinking about putting it on ebay and I don't know how much to start the bidding.Thanks for any help.
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If real then the bowl would be anytime between the 1920s and 1975; the mounting however is a complete kitschy mismatch of various styles and I think it detracts greatly from the value of the bowl. If it were mine I'd rip off the (I guess fifties) metal and porcelain even if it meant exposing a damaged rim. But don't do anything drastic based on one opinion only - there may be other angles to this.
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It does look really odd, the two styles just DON'T match.
It's like someone in the 30s gave their granny the Sabino bowl, and they wanted it to match their older Victorian stuff, so gave it a going over....bet they were all proud of their handiwork afterwards...
But not to anyone's taste now surely?
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I wouldn't rip off the trim yet.
I have seen at least 2 other bowls very similar with the gilt ormulou edge and a cameo or other medallion mounted on the edge.
Neither belonged to me and I have never seen them identified. They belonged to friends of mine and were posted on my glass id board several years ago.
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If French, perhaps the porcelain is made by someone in Limoges?
Just out of curiousity, is the porcelain hand painted or transfer printed?
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Certainly not all Sabino is signed, particularly earlier pieces, though I don't immediately recognise your item as a Sabino pattern. Certainly a number of firms produced opalescent glass in this style.
Regarding the mounts, I too have seen a number of bowls with this metal rim, etc., both floral designs like yours and a design consisting of 3 birds. Interestingly all have turned up in the US. I wonder if they were added by an importer or retailer? I also recall seeing mould blown vases with similar innappropriate mounts.
I quite agree with Ivo about the kitsch mismatch of styles; the metal mount really detracts from the item, while it might have originally been sold like this, it is deeply unfashionable now and I feel that the bowl would sell much better without it.
Steven
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I did find something wrote on it. I can't tell if it is three initals then France or it says made in France. I don't know if the cameo is hand painted or transfer. How do I tell the difference? There is a lady on another board who said she had a bowl like this several years ago and no one was ever able to id it.
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I found this exact same bowl on ruby lane. They call it French Opalescent Ormolu Tray. Thanks to all who tried to help me.
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JMHO and impression from seeing several of these over the years.
I do not think they are Victorian. I think they are later and are "renaissance" pieces. They could be from the 1950s,60s when "French Provincial" became in vogue in the US for bedrooms.