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Title: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on November 04, 2021, 10:44:47 AM
Hi
This was sold as Whitefriars (probably because of its polished pontil), but I don't think it is. I've been looking at mainly Scandinavian makers but no luck so far. It really could come from a number of places.
It has stepped sides, is slightly assymetric with undulating sides that are slightly folded. It's a very heavy thing too!
Any help or guesses will be welcome as always.

Length: 25 cm/10 inches. Height: 12 cm/ 5 inches.


Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: Paul S. on November 04, 2021, 12:54:34 PM
 ;D amazing isn't it that folk still sell as W/Fs based solely on a polished pontil.      Agree not theirs, but regret no idea as to maker as yet, but attractive.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on November 04, 2021, 02:55:05 PM
I should also say that there's lots of wear on the base. I know that's not always a reliable indicator of age, but I thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: Anne E.B. on November 04, 2021, 02:56:50 PM
Gullaskruf is a possibility.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on November 04, 2021, 03:32:24 PM
Thanks Anne - yeah I agree, I did think of them because of William Stenberg's 'ring' designs, but no luck with them so far!
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: essi on November 04, 2021, 08:56:17 PM
Not sure if this is much help. last Sunday at an antiques fair i saw what i thought was a Whitefriars lotus type bowl with flattened sides.
i'm probably way of the mark but this could have been a frigger.
Looking at your posting reminded me of a bowl in the Elfverson catalogue (made by Stromberg) which has the same amount of rings,
similar base and they did a colour called tourmaline green.
The bowl is given as 9 inches diameter, but with flattened sides this might make it similar to the length of yours.
Pure speculation, but it might be a lead.
Tim 
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on November 06, 2021, 10:10:50 AM
Many thanks Tim.
A maker like that would make sense. Unfortunately I don't have access to the catalogue and haven't found anything yet, but will continue to look.
Thanks Geraint.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: essi on November 06, 2021, 11:06:49 AM
Sorry I can't post any images as the copyright is not mine.
The Elfverson/Stromberg catalogue is reproduced in the journal of the glass association
Volume 8.
All the best,
Tim
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on November 12, 2021, 11:01:41 AM
Just a quick update. I've been contacted by a collector who states that it's definitely not Stromberg or from the Elfverson catalogue. She felt it looked like a Gullaskruf piece, but she wasn' t certain on that.
I'm going to join that Swedish forum to see if anyone knows anything there.
Thanks Geraint.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on July 18, 2022, 09:30:39 AM
While researching Beranek pieces for another piece I have (which I'll be posting here shortly!), I came across this bowl:

http://www.czechglassguide.cz/B-Beranek-5301-Bowl-d4327.htm

It's not an exact match unfortunately, one major difference is this has four rings on its base, while mine has three. However it's the most similar thing I've found to my piece, so do people think Bohuslav Beranek is worth pursuing as a possible designer or am I going way off track?  :)
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 18, 2022, 09:38:24 AM
I don't think it's likely to be Beranek; that stuff is much thicker and more "studio" than your bowl. I might even be inclined to look at English glass
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on July 18, 2022, 09:43:07 AM
Thanks Christine -It is thickly walled and does have the feel to me of a quality piece. I'm open to all possibilities and agree it could be English given how influenced some glass factories were by the Scandinavian style.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 18, 2022, 10:04:47 AM
It's not as thick walled as the Czech glass pieces though
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on July 18, 2022, 11:09:03 AM
It's not as thick walled as the Czech glass pieces though

I know what you mean about the thickness and chunkiness of much Czech glass generally, but I wouldn't say the example I posted was particularly thick and looked much like mine in terms of thickness.
Anyway, I've found a page, through a link on the page I posted, to the Skrdlovice pattern book and there are further ringed bowls, so I'll see if I  can find a shape and dimensions match. I'm still disinclined to think it's Czech because the colour and polished pontil isn't something I associate with Skrdlovice, but you never know ...!
Cheers Geraint.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: rocco on July 22, 2022, 03:37:16 PM
Surely not Skrdlovice.

To me, it looks moulded and not hotworked, but without handling it is hard to tell...
Other than that, I am clueless, sorry ;)

Michael
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: chasdevlin on July 22, 2022, 11:52:20 PM
Surely not Skrdlovice.

To me, it looks moulded and not hotworked, but without handling it is hard to tell...
Other than that, I am clueless, sorry ;)

Michael

Did you look at the link I posted Michael? I don't want to labour the point, but it does look quite similar, so I don't think the possibility of it being Skrdlovice is that far etched.
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 23, 2022, 08:27:14 AM
I agree with Michael, moulded and then hot worked to create the oval. Skrdlovice is completely hot worked
Title: Re: ID for heavy, stepped green bowl
Post by: NevB on July 24, 2022, 11:14:12 AM
Is it by any chance uranium glass? I've see a similar one that was uranium and described as Murano but I was doubtful of that.