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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: neilh on January 14, 2022, 06:49:24 PM
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Hi folks,
I recently bought a bashed up version of the 1928-9 Army & Navy Stores catalogue. If you have seen the 1907 catalogue, which was published as a book, you will know how useful these can be for filling in gaps in missing pattern books, or for working out when lines were offered or withdrawn.
The numbers given with each item are usually the factory pattern number, so if you know the range from another document, it should in theory be possible to separate out those from various manufacturers in these catalogues. (note all are prefixed "C.G." for China and Glass section)
In that spirit I am starting a thread to go through the glass section of this catalogue, to see if anyone can spot the patterns and work out the manufacturer. I suspect they will nearly all turn out to be Midlands firms. These images are all from my personal copy. There are 14 pages to go through which I will split in halves so we get a decent look at the images given file size restrictions.
If there is sufficient interest I will start up another thread for glass items outside the glass section in the same catalogue, which includes a couple of Whitefriars items.
Looking forward to any contributions...
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Very good Neil, some look similar to the Webb and Corbett pieces shown here.
https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Webb-Corbett-1910.358+B6YmFja1BJRD0zNTgmcHJvZHVjdElEPTE0MzgwJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
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On the third page, middle top no. 22887 is a Stuart Stratford vase. The number matches. See http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,32831.msg177779.html
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That's a good start... there are quite a few items numbered in the 22000's 23000's... maybe they are all Stuart
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More crystal vases...
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Showing the front and back of the glass section next, before we chew on the rest of the middle. The front page is all pyrex which may show its importance at this time. The last page includes some tumbler patterns which date back to the 1850s, maybe earlier.
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Well, we live and learn, but have to say I've never heard of an 'eared dish' or a 'ramikin' - also have a PYREX oval casserole which sits inside a chromed casing with ball feet. Will have a look at some of these in the coming days.
Some time last year ? we did a tumbler thread - always possible some of those might match with the page just added here.
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On to decanters - there are named sets here which somebody must surely know of... "Montrose", "Bute", "Albany", "Victoria", Warwick"
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Paul, ramikins or ramekins were all the rage when creme brulee was the dessert of choice ;D
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The last of the decanter pages, and a page of fruit bowls
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This set includes cocktail glasses with a bird on them... surely a known design?
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This is the last of the set... do say if you spot anything so we can assign pattern number ranges to manufacturers etc...
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In the 2nd photo in reply 11, the first decanter looks the same as the Stuart one shown in the advertisement in the link below. The cutting of the items in the second photo of reply 4 looks the same. The glasses at the bottom of the first photo in reply 10 look to be a variation of the wine glass in the link.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Stuart_and_Sons
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Good spot - it looks like everything numbered between about 20000 to 24000 could be Stuart Crystal, meaning the best part of 100 examples of their work shown, including those distinctive cocktail glasses.
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Yes, seems reasonable, don’t know if there are catalogs of the period available to check. If you search ‘stuart crystal cockerel’ there are similar glasses to your bird designs.
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Somewhere on the board there are some references to the Stuart designs in the Harrods catalogue pages.
I have some of the Harrods pages so was cross checking the Harrods codes against Stuart pieces. I only bought the Harrods pages with the peacock eye designs on though - they turned out to be Stuart. I think there was the odd Whitefriars piece in there. Stuart seems to have been extremely good at stocking the department stores during this first decade of the 1900s.
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https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71514.0;attach=247029
Page 807 - those numbering codes I believe fall in between numbered codes on pieces of Stuart in the Harrods catalogue for 1907.
There are 'peacock eye' type vases with various names that Harrods call for example The "English Jewel" decoration and The Original English " Peacock" decoration and I am pretty sure they are all Stuart. All fall into 14000s, 15000s, 16000s and 17000s in terms of code number.
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https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71514.0;attach=247137
page 809 - 1601 is Webb Corbett:
see page 29 -
https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Webb-Corbett-1910.358+B6YmFja1BJRD0zNTgmcHJvZHVjdElEPTE0Mzk5JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
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Perhaps misleading/red herring, but curious anyway
The type face on the letters and numbers in bold on this page E294 under the set of bonnet glasses
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71514.0;attach=247121
looks similar to the typeface on the 1910 catalogue for Webb Corbett:
See page 24 for examples with a T prefix
https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Webb-Corbett-1910.358+B6YmFja1BJRD0zNTgmcHJvZHVjdElEPTE0NDA0JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
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Interesting point on the Harrods 1907 catalogue. I have the glass section of the 1907 Army Navy catalogue saved off and it is full of glass numbered between 14000-17000. From what you say it sounds like these store catalogues are like one big Stuart pattern book going through the years for cut glass. I have pages from the Harrods 1913 catalogue with quite a few pieces in the 18000s, this must be Stuart again. This is very useful for attribution, particularly the 1907 catalogue, as this contains quite a few decorative flower tubes, emerald coil decoration and so on, which is otherwise impossible to pin on any company.
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I think if you contact Mervyn Gulliver he might be able to help you.
m
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Neil did you manage to contact Mervyn Gulliver?
m
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There's no reason to really. We seem to have proved that these catalogues are full of Stuart Crystal, identifying the other makers would be good but we might need an earlier catalogue to get a handle on the pattern numbers. I do have the 1907 one which has a good deal of John Walsh Walsh.