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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: NevB on June 13, 2022, 02:02:54 PM
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This is my latest uranium glass weight. It has an etched design on the base of a noblewoman riding a horse sidesaddle, with her dog beside her, in a country setting. There is an engraved decanter on the Collectors' Weekly site with this same design.
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Recently I was looking at an unidentified one of these on eBay in a different colour. I was trying to decide how the design was achieved as I thought it might be engraved, I decided it was a form of enamel printing rather than etching or engraving, so something applied to the surface rather than removed from it. I think this can be seen on the large photo of the decanter on collectors weekly - would you agree with one in your hand Nev, can you feel if the design is raised? I suppose it could be a thin acid etch but hard to be 100% sure without a closer look.
I have linked below to the decanter with the same scene that is on collectors weekly, they say it is engraved and a contributor seems to be linking it to rock crystal and talk about high end engravers. Sure it’s not engraved though...
Collectors weekly decanter (assume this is the one Nev mentioned):
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/298409-webb-corbett-lady-on-horseback-engraved
And the photograph on its own:
https://d3h6k4kfl8m9p0.cloudfront.net/stories/zvMFQ40aXTqZ.VpdNlsw.Q.png
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Hello Ekimp, I thought my piece was acid etched but looking at it with a magnifying glass and running my nail over it I just don't know. It has a very slight lip to the edge so it may well have been applied, perhaps using a stencil, but it is very fine. That is the decanter I saw, the main part of the design is the same and it does appear to be some sort of enameling? I haven't researched mine fully yet, perhaps there's something online detailing W&C production techniques.
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Hi, it does look very fine (...too fine for acid?)
It appears to me as though it was printed in three overlaid stages as there are three distinct tones (excluding clear untouched areas). The main background tone looks similar to that of an acid frosted finish but the layers over that look very opaque - it reminds me of the Mary Gregory type images. I have a glass with just a horse printed on it that looks like a very similar process was used.
It’ll be interesting if you find something.
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I wonder if this weight is definitely Webb Corbett or maybe something else? Looking at other similar Webb Corbett weights on google, they look to be reasonably simple engraved designs.
In reply 4 here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51825.msg293935.html Wuff speculates that the printed type could be Murano, although Webb Corbett isn’t ruled out.
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I see no reason for it not being Webb Corbett, I also can't see it being Murano, but more research needed. It does appear to be a "flash overlay" though.
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My spider weight for comparison.
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I now nothing about Webb Corbett but the use of a printed type image (assuming that’s what it is) doesn’t seem the same quality as an engraved image, I don’t know if that’s a technique they used elsewhere.
On the Collectors Weekly link, they don’t say if the decanter was marked, I had the impression it was identified as Webb Corbett as it has the same image as these paperweights.
This type of weight with a printed image is discussed on these other threads...there is even some doubt expressed about all of the engraved examples!
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,63542.msg356763.html#msg356763
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37669.msg206752.html#msg206752
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,23702.msg132503.html#msg132503
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I'm pretty confident the design is printed not engraved, and it is probably a screen printed transfer too. A screen printed transfer would be applied in one fell swoop, not three overlays. Check with a loupe for tiny dots
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I can't see any dots under a magnifying glass but it is an applied overlay. I assume it's glass but how they produced such a thinly made image is incredible. Just to add, it weighs 500gms. with a volume of 150cm3 giving a density of 3.33gms./cm3. so it is lead crystal.
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I've never been able to work out how my spider weight was "engraved".
The round body bits look like a smooth, satinated acid finish, but the bigger round has further decoration in a large triangle and two smaller v-shaped notches inside it o depict the beastie's markings. The legs have weird edges which make them look hairy.
The v-shaped notches are not centred.
If somebody else who has the spider weight could check their body notches to see if they are central or not, it might give us some ideas?
If somebody else's notches are central, then these could have been done later. :D
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I’ve started a topic that shows the glass I mentioned that has a horse printed on the side, possibly using the same technique as the printed paperweight: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,71983.0.html
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Great pics there. The decor stands proud of the body.
My spider is quite deep into my weight.
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Close up of my spider and another weight with the 'printed' style of decoration...
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;D
Our spiders are different. Very, very similar, aiming to be the same, but not. There are the same numbers of legs up and down, but in mine, the two legs that are around the head end up in different places.
The antenna in mine are much more parallel than yours, which tend towards each other at the ends. Mine are also longer.
The "hairiness" on the legs is different. I'd say these were done by hand.
I also think my eye rounds are slightly different sizes.
(I can see the big V on the back of your spider's body, but not the two smaller v-notches inside it.)
That was exactly the pic I needed to be able to hold my weight up beside it to compare, thanks Keith. 8) 8) 8)
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Here's my Boris for comparison.
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Yours has different notches inside the big V to mine. You have something more akin to quotation marks - the double comma, while mine has small v-shapes, with the points being the opposite way around to the big one.
They all seem to be placed differently on the web too.
Sorry I can't post a pic of mine, but it is quite easy to see that Keith's and Nev's are different from the pics posted here.
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The spiders are engraved, so unless they were all done at the same time by the same person, they will vary. There is no need for them to be identical, just similar, because people only buy one
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A clear one to go with the others, not sure how many of these paperweights I have now, they're everywhere !
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Would this be copper wheel engraved, then?
Your clear one has my v-shaped notches, Keith. :)
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I bought this drinking glass in the charity shop today, only 20p. It has the exact same printed image as Keith shows in reply 13 that is on his Webb Corbett style weight. Did Webb Corbett ever make glasses such as this?
The glass is very light with no ping when flicked so assume soda glass. There is a knob in the base of the bowl above where the stem is attached and it has an electroplated type gold rim. 11cm tall.
Would this be copper wheel engraved, then?
[For the engraved weights] I assume large manufacturers would use copper wheel engraving and it would only be small workshops:hobbyists that use Dremel type tools (drill engraving).
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I have a funny feeling your glass is by Dema, ekimp. :)
(I used to do the bric-a-brac for Oxfam and saw these regularly.)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283705004389
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Thanks, that’s interesting, well remembered :) The examples in your link have the same flower and look the same glass. Never heard of Dema before even though it looks like they were a large British company, some of their history here: https://www.chesterfield.gov.uk/explore-chesterfield/museum/past-exhibitions/touch-of-glass.aspx
So the printed type weights are also likely to be from Dema seeing as the printed flower is the same on both. Maybe they bought in Webb Corbett blanks to be printed.
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I had some of those in the "olden days" LOL. Cheap and cheerful and transfer printed; you can see where there is a bit of transfer missing from one leaf. Dema blanks were made in Chesterfield
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Yes, I only meant the paperweights blanks :) There seems to be some connection anyway.
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I'm really impressed you noticed it was the same design. That is harder than remembering a four letter name I was very familiar with.
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Luck...at 20p I took the risk ;D
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Here is another decanter with the same printed image as on Nev’s weight, depicting a women on horse back. You can see the whole thing rather than just the printing as on the collectors weekly example. Don’t know who made the decanter though.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144798492184?hash=item21b6a9a618:g:248AAOSwzeFjZ9fn&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoG963kl5Wb1jc6p7l377vnVka3K5U00hCC4ACVzhMczg3nLnA9LbWhpVx7Vm541VtZAnMIKA%2Bg%2FNdUebuap3MZDaA0CkUIl8vIOXuy1Jn%2B45tvysN1%2BN%2B97H41wjlfW7oMKGqWI%2Bfaz1i7i6gSRm04jjGic6HQ6oDaN2TQdRgonQD5KE01rERsk5OpluhMXzC6RV4jZ9%2FIqylCodOeZ%2FCTY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5qd6L2NYQ