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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: LMK on September 10, 2006, 03:41:45 AM
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Hi,
I have a piece milk glass that has only an H on the lid. Could someone Please help me identify the maker. I have look all over and the only trademark that is close is Heisey, but there is no diamond.
Your help would be extremely appreciated.
thanks
Lorrie
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Welcome to the GMB.
If you can provide a photo of the mark this might help one of the experts to evaluate the item.
If you follow this thread it gives instructions on how to post photos or images.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html
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Please post a picture of the item and a picture of the mark.
I might recognize the piece whithout the mark.
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Hello,
Without seeing the item I can only make a guess.
Other than Heisey's H in a diamond, the only other H mark that I know anything about would be on look-a-likes and reproduction items from Hsinchu Tiawan, for the A A Importing of St Louis - 1940s-50s
There are three different marks by them that I know of, one is an H in a sideways turned square that many say is an attempt to fake a Heisey's mark, but that would be just too easy to do correctly and the marks side by side are very different looking. Besides that the items produced in Taiwan are nothing like anything Heisey's ever produced. Another mark is the same as above, with a few other elements added and the third mark is an H on its own. Luckily one of these items is found now and then with the red & white paper label still attached and all it says is; "Hsinchu Tiawan" on it. --- Mike
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What about Hocking, i.e. before 1937. I'm sure I've something about the Hocking mark somewhere but...
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Hello Lustrousstone,
Anchor Hocking Glass Corporation was created in 1937 by the merger of Anchor Cap and Closure Corporation and the Hocking Glass Company.
While I do know that Anchor Cap and Closure Corporation used the anchor mark (no H) before then, I don't recall ever hearing of a stand-alone (H) Hocking Glass Company mark. Do you have a reference for such a mark? I collect glass marks, so I would definitely be interested.
One other possibility is Hazel Atlas, which is a large H over a small A. Sometimes people think that one is an Anchor Hocking mark.
The mark that the Lorrie is asking about may just be an Anchor Hocking mark that didn't transfer well on to the item, but only a picture of the item can speak for itself. --- Mike
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Hi, I have been trying to post a picture of the mark and milk glass piece but the glass gallery keeps teeling me an error has occured.
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Could someone please tell me What I am doing wrong.
thank you!!1
Lorrie
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Hi again,
I think I might have figure this out. Here's a picture of the milk glass.
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n6/LMK56/th_912006015.jpg) (http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n6/LMK56/912006015.jpg)
Let see if it works.
If not I will try again.
thanks
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Could someone please tell me What I am doing wrong.
thank you!!1
Lorrie
Hi Lorrie, GlassGallery is telling you where the problem is - your images are too big.
There are two size limits - one is the 200kb max file size limit, the other is that an image's dimensions must be no bigger than 1000 pixels x 1000 pixels. Anything larger than either of these sizes will fail as you are finding.
Read the Help file (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery_help.html) link at the top of GlassGallery in BLUE for more info, but if you still get stuck feel free to ask for help... use the Contact Us form on the Help pages to do this.
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Hello again Lorrie,
It is very hard to see the mark on your piece, but I tried enlarging your photo and then cropping out the area with the mark.
http://i3.tinypic.com/4ierspy.jpg
It looks more like an M or a W than an H to me, but the photo isn't great. I have seen a couple items in this pattern on ebay recently that were said to be Westmoreland's "English Hobnail" pattern, but I have never seen any Westmoreland items with that ladder like section in the pattern. They did do a somewhat similar looking puff box,
http://i2.tinypic.com/29cm2qr.jpg
but it is still very different than your version.
Do you have a flat-bed scanner connected to your computer? If so could you just set the bottom of your piece on the glass and just scan it. You should be able to get a good sharp and close picture of the mark that way, rather than try and get your camera up close to it. --- Mike
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Hi Lorrie -
I looked for this piece last night in 5 or 6 different books and could not find the pattern. The shape most closely resembles Imperial Glass puff or powder boxes but I don't recognize the pattern.
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Hi,
I tried to scan the mark but that didn't work, so I'm trying something different. Again, I truly appreciated everyones help.
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n6/LMK56/th_912006031.jpg) (http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n6/LMK56/912006031.jpg)
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n6/LMK56/th_912006030.jpg) (http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n6/LMK56/912006030.jpg)
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it looks as if the H is closed at top and base?
could it be the chinese character ri = sun?
:?: :?: :?
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Hello again,
I have asked around and posted on the ebay Glass Board too. Some have seen items in the same pattern before, but nobody knows for sure who made them or who the H mark belongs to. Homeco was one suggestion, but they always used their full name as far as I know and Lancaster\Colony\Indiana Glass made most, if not all of their glass items.
Hocking came up again, but everyone who has a book on the subject or just a book on Milk Glass says the item is not covered in their books and there is no mention of Hocking using any mark on their glass, until they merged with Anchor and the Anchor-Hocking mark began being used, but not on everything.
Everyone agrees that it's definitely not Heisey's, not Imperial, Westmoreland, Fenton etc., because those companies did hand made glass and your piece appears to have been machine made, like something Anchor-Hocking, Indiana Glass, Jeannette or one of those makers would have done.
Ignoring the H; I have a feeling it may possibly be a Hocking item, but maybe an earlier, unknown, undocumented sleeper item and mark or something like that. The reason for my mere speculation is the slightly translucent, less opaque type of white glass used and another detail I have only seen on a Anchor-Hocking milk glass item of a different pattern.
(http://i1.tinypic.com/43pt26o.jpg)
I found a link to a Anchor-Hocking museum and thought maybe you might wish to contact them and see what they can tell you
http://www.anchorhockingmuseum.com/History%20of%20Anchor%20Hocking.html
Wish I had more than that to offer, Mike
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Dear Mike, :D
I was sold this piece through an antique auction dealer as a hesiey. I had listed this peice on ebay as what the dealer said, but have since change it because of everyone's information. I decided I didn't want a buyer to feel scammed since no one recognized the peice.
This is a great site and very helpful. I appreciate all your time and effort . I will tell that dealer the next time I see him, he got his info wrong concerning this peice per the great intelligents of the glass community.
I will also be more careful the next time. I realize you can't always trust people even those who are suppose to be knowledgable in their field of work. I am sure I paid to much for it too.
Anyway I hope you have a great week and again I thank you and everyone else who help me.
God Bless.
Lorrie :D :D :D
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Lorrie,
If it were me I would return it to the antique dealer, who may have just made an honest, uneducated mistake and might give you a refund. If not then you know to avoid shopping there in the future.
Next time you might ask a dealer what their source of reference is when they claim something is something. Those who know for sure what they are selling can easily and happily give you one and those who can't are obviously just guessing or slapping any name on their items to make them seem interesting. Other than that the best thing you can do is avoid buying items you yourself don't know anything about. Get yourself some books on the type of glass you like, from a book store or maybe your local library has some that you can check out.
It's not an easy rule to follow I know, but half of the responsibility in knowing what something is or isn't belongs to the buyer. I don't like to preach at others, but I don't like seeing people being taken even worse. --- Mike
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lacking words in English Lorrie but I underwrite what Mike says :oops:
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besides, Pamela is still interested in the character of signature H please