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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: NevB on October 02, 2022, 05:41:15 PM
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This is a little bit worse for wear. It has signs of wear inside the neck so it's missing its stopper, it has a chip on one of the scallops and serious water damage inside. However, I think it's a Biedermeier piece from around 1840 or earlier and possibly by Friedrich Egermann. Linked is a carafe I found which although different does have some similarities in the neck rings, the top, and the use of decoration on the base which occurs on many Egermann pieces. Height is 165mm./6 1/2".
https://antikes-glas.de/egermann/grosse-karaffe-aufwendigem-zierschliffdekor-friedrich-egermann-1835-p-3070.html
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The top. I think Egermann also used the vertical panels, scalloped on the bottom.
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Hi Nev,
Sorry i have not got anything definitive for you but i have a piece in the pictures
below which has the same sort of cuttings that me & my dad both disagree on i thought
it was Egermann he thinks its Moser but i am not to sure who is right. Hope it helps with
your question in some way dan
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Thanks Dan, I've seen a few pieces online with that same type of base which are attributed to Egermann, I haven't looked at Moser but I will now, but I still lean towards Egermann.
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Nice pieces. Really like the becher, looks a bit special! I wonder who the chap on the panel is, what he’s doing and what’s in the bag. Looks like he’s waiting for the bus ;D
I have the book Glasgravuren des Biedermeier, Paul von Lichtenberg (it was really cheap :) ). Page 95 shows a Knollenfußbecher (lump/tuber foot tumbler) that is almost identical in form to your glass Legsy. It has the same design on the sides of the cross made of three parallel lines, and the two parallel cuts just below the rim. The panels have the same eye looking design. It has four eye type panels and two plain panels that have been engraved rather than enamelled. There is no bottom view but there are six lump/tuber feet and I think it says there is a star on the bottom. From the side photo, it looks like the star is made from pairs of parallel cuts.
The photo is black and white and the glass looks clear but it is described as “Entfärbtes glas” - discoloured glass [Google translate]. Says glass and cutting is c.1835/38 Harrachsche Hütte, Neuwelt. Engraved by Dominik Biemann, Franzensbad.
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This could be a bit of a puzzle, opinions seem to be 50/50 Egermann or Harrach.
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That's fantastically informative this site throws up some formidable information
Brilliant Analysis "Ekimp" such a difficult subject Bohemian glass is such a vast
section you could spend a life's work in it. I mainly end up leaving things Bohemian
alone and tend to spend a lot less time trying to work it out as the language barrier
is awkward for me. I don't like adding extras to other posts but when we purchased
the above BECHER "First time i have heard that expression" Me and dad purchased it
with another whom were described as tea lite holders i have attached the other one
in a picture it is not similar to my eye but might be from same country looks more
modern though. We kept them because especially the "BECHER" seemed to have a lot
of work on it and did not want to let a good thing go if it was worth a bit. We have a stall.
The base is made of pairs of parallel cuts your right would it have been
a blank that was worked on by different companies or more a one off do you think? Ekimp NevB thanks
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Dan, I think the piece on the left is possibly from one of the Haida/Novy Bor Bohemian factories with a Schwarzlot/ Black Lead decoration. I'd guess around 1880-1900.
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Wish I could find a similar tea lite holder! :D
I have no idea how well regarded the book is, it’s a nice book, but in German, it’s getting easier with Google translate etc but the translations can be tiresome and a bit off. The becher is from a private collection rather than a museum so I assume it’s an attribution from the author.
It looks like your becher and Nev’s bottle might be from the same place, I think with this sort of thing you are very lucky if you can conclusively find where they’re from or who decorated them.
With regard to blanks being decorated by different companies, have a read of flying free’s useful comments on the subject here: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68836.20.html
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A very nice tea light indeed, the seller described my bottle as a 1940's vase.
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It’s surprising sometimes….trouble is most of what I see is 1940s described as 1840s ;D
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Thanks NevB :)
Thanks Ekimp :)
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When you say you think it's by Egermann do you mean Egermann blew the glass?
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m, to be honest I haven't gone into that, I assumed that Egerman manufactured all the pieces attributed to them but, having had a quick look, it appears Egerman decorated pieces made by other factories. I'll have to investigate further. One thing I did wonder about was, considering the thickness of the glass, whether it was mould blown using compressed air rather than by mouth. I know Baccarat were using that method then but whether it was used elsewhere I don't know.
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see page 71 and 72 for more information on Friedrich Egermann:
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Legend_of_Bohemian_Glass/UwLCa_h3hTEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=bohemian+coloured+glass+19th+century&pg=PA66&printsec=frontcover
Source: The Legend of Bohemian Glass, Antonín Langhamer
Your piece is undoubtedly Bohemian. The cutting on the foot is very typical for the Biedermeier period.