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Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 11, 2006, 01:05:12 PM

Hi any help please confirming if this is a Whitefriars Penguin or not, he stands approx 6.5 inches tall and weighs  1kg, also if it is a colour for him , he looks more green than any other colour, also there are lots of swirls within the glass
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_penguin22.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/penguin22.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_penguin23.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/penguin23.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_penguin24.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/penguin24.jpg)
many thanks regards roy

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Della on September 11, 2006, 01:15:52 PM

Hi Roy,
I know nothing about Whitefriars, but there is one here:
http://www.whitefriars.com/isit_contents.php?ID=1849
You will be able to compare better.
Maybe Emmi will be along and take a look soon, or Max.

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 11, 2006, 02:03:36 PM

Hi thanks looks very similar, although the one I have looks a little fatter , same height, maybe ocean green, have to wait fof another reply to confirm but thanks for the link to picture

roy  :D

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Post by: vidrioguapo on September 11, 2006, 02:46:25 PM

I am not an expert on Whitefriars penguins....only seen photos and read about them on the various forums....but from my little knowledge, I would say no it isn't quite right.  Why not post the photo on both whitefriars.com and whitefriars.org as there are some seriously more knowledgable penguin lovers there.  Regards  Emmi

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Patrick on September 11, 2006, 06:40:18 PM

Hi Roy, It certainly looks like an Ocean Green penguin by Vincente Boffo who used to work for whitefriars. They were in the catalogue and very popular.  His work records show that 934 were made in this colour. Your exhample has a magnificent beak and very pronounced chest and wings... I have never seen one as good as yours. Check out a past post on the sublect
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2462.0.html
 Regards Patrick...
PS.  For a picture of the man himself...............
http://whitefriarsorg.org/mf/index.php?s=d3da37db99f86e527ef77b355a5ea002&showtopic=393

Title: Post subject
Post by: vidrioguapo on September 12, 2006, 11:28:11 AM

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I would say no it isn't quite right.

Whoops!!!!  Well, nobody's perfect!!!

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Max on September 12, 2006, 11:32:34 AM

:wink:  It's all a learning curve isn't it Emmi?  I wasn't sure, so I kept quiet!  :lol:  The base seems unusual for WF...are the ducks finished like that too?

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 12, 2006, 02:18:38 PM

Thanks for your comments, it seems he is a Whitefriars penguin still complete with his beak many thanks

roy

Title: Post subject
Post by: vidrioguapo on September 12, 2006, 06:25:16 PM

Max said:

 

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I wasn't sure, so I kept quiet!

Wish I had,  but it's rather fat belly and elongated beak put a negative in my mind!!  Nothing like the penguin photos I have seen.  As for the duck bases, not sure Max as I don't generally "do" ducks.  Emmi
PS  I don't "do" jugs either...find them rather a minefield as there are SO many look - a - likes from Polish and other makers.

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Patrick on September 13, 2006, 05:46:01 AM

Hi , Nobody is infalable...............  I have now CHANGED MY MIND !!!!!!!!
 After talking to somebody late last night about why the green should be streaky, he told me of Scandinavian exhamples with more rounded chests and beaks that curved downwards towards the end.
 Emmi and Max you can both walk around with your heads held high whilst I can take on a more sorry pose.
 I will email this new info to the seller so that he can mention it on his Ebay posting. His penguin maybe however rarer and more desireable than the Whitefriars . Best wishes Patrick.

Title: Post subject
Post by: vidrioguapo on September 13, 2006, 07:36:53 AM

Patrick said-

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His penguin maybe however rarer and more desireable than the Whitefriars . Best wishes Patrick.
 

Do we know which Scandinavian maker?  

PS  I went into a Laura Ashley shop yesterday for the first time in years...and they seem to have a range of glassware that looks very much like some of the Per Lutken Holmegaard stuff.....quite scarily similar....in years to come it is going to become so difficult to put an ID to something, especially for new collectors!

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 13, 2006, 07:48:26 AM

thanks for your help

i have made an amendment to my ebay listing

i have been receiving emails from all over the world and most people still think it is whitefriars

reagrds roy

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Max on September 13, 2006, 07:56:50 AM

{{Patrick}} None of us are infallible...but all comments help, and I like your honest, straight-forward style.  :D  :D
 
Roy, it's great you're doing your best with the listing, letting people make their own minds up is the way to go.  Good luck with your auction.   :D

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: David E on September 13, 2006, 05:14:48 PM

Oh you lucky people!  8)

During my usual trawl through Pottery Gazette and Glass Trade Review at Broadfield House this afternoon, I came across the following:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3300

See - I do pay attention... :D

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 13, 2006, 05:56:06 PM

I now have item listed on the  'is it Whitefriars' on the Whitefriars.com website, see what happends now

roy

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: whitefriars 007 on September 14, 2006, 11:15:55 AM

Hello Roy

I would go with Patricks first comment and say your penguin is Whitefriars. I agree with Emmi that the beak,plump chest and streaks in the penguin do put doubts in your mind, but to me it has a few similarities that I have seen in W/f penguins, and also  the ruby one I have. The shape of the base looks right and the tooling mark on the tail. This tooling mark is also on mine and I have noticed it on a few that have sold before on Ebay. This is why I think yours is Whitefriars. It would be interesting to hear from others that own them to see if they also have this tooling mark on the tail. Here are some pictures of mine Roy hope this helps.

Regards
Trudy

http://i10.tinypic.com/2q8rhon.jpg

http://i10.tinypic.com/2uzcuj9.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/2rh1k54.jpg

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Max on September 14, 2006, 11:51:58 AM

The tooling (shears?) mark is interesting but not conclusive IMHO.  If a piece were made in a similar fashion by another company, then it could have the same shears (tool) mark there too.

...but these things are all clues, and definitely worth noting.   :D

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 14, 2006, 12:11:48 PM

Is he actually streaky? Looks more like reflections and background to me. A photo against a white back ground would help and give a better idea of the colour. (Apologies to Roy's garden table star of many ebay auctions!)

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 14, 2006, 04:10:08 PM

Thanks for all your comments, the penguin is not streaky , I think its just swirls when the penguin was made , I have tried taking a picture with a white background but its a bit dark for a decent picture, had to use the table again sorry,mught have to stain it again to make it more presentable
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_a1234.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/a1234.jpg)
many thanks roy

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Pinkspoons on September 14, 2006, 05:59:35 PM

It looks more like Arctic Blue now.....

...which is suitable for a penguin, I suppose.  :lol:

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Patrick on September 14, 2006, 06:25:58 PM

Hi, Now I am having further doubts on my change of mind !!!!!   Certainly a hung jury on this one. Perhaps who ever buys it could bring it to the Cambridge glass fair. Regards Patrick....

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 15, 2006, 04:54:03 PM

A couple more pictures which may help with the colour as the penguin is quite difficult to take, I think the one holding the penguin is very close to the actual colour
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_pin1-2.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/pin1-2.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_pin2-2.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/pin2-2.jpg)
mhgcgolfclub roy

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Patrick on September 16, 2006, 08:05:36 PM

Hi Roy, Where has your Penguin gone too !!!!!!!!!!! ?
 Regards Patrick. :(  :(  :(

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: whitefriars 007 on September 16, 2006, 09:13:51 PM

Hi Patrick

Roy has relisted the penguin here's the link.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&item=200027939672&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Regards
Trudy

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on September 16, 2006, 09:14:36 PM

Hi patrick

He still there I ended listing early as I think some of the pictures were causing some doubts as to whether or not Whitefriars, and listed straight again within a few minutes

regards roy

Title: Is this a Whitefriars Penguin ?
Post by: Patrick on September 23, 2006, 08:27:19 PM

Hi All,  I see that the relisted penguin made £205 .............. Regards Patrick.