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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: glassamore on November 12, 2022, 12:40:09 AM
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Greetings to all you wonderful people on Glass Message Board
Firstly, please forgive me if I have written the wrong terminology and description (please correct me) - Although I am 70 years old, I am a new glass collector and learning as I go along. And it proves one is never too old to take up a new hobby.
I hope you will be able to help me with the identify, age, glassworks, designer etc of two Sommerso biomorphic sculptural bowls I have just picked up at a charity shop. I have come to a dead end in searching for them but have seen similar from Flygstors Coquille range by Paul Kedelv but their pieces have all been signed and dated. Unless after Kedelv left the company and was taken over by Orrefors they continued to make these bowls but did not attribute them?? There are no stickers or signatures on either on my bowls. Then I looked to Spain and again found similar from the Viartec glassworks but not exactly the same ( the Spanish examples look a less quality than the Swedish glass ). I have also seen a Japanese version but is not exactly the same. So I am now confused to who made my lovely bowls?
Description: Light Aubergine or may be called Amethyst glass??? Cased in clear glass. One bowl has a polished out pontil - completely flat and the other bowl has a polished base rim with a rough concave centre.
Small bowl measures approx. 19cms widest point x 16cms highest point - Cocquille similar range bowls are smaller.
Larger "L" / ladle shaped bowl measures 17cms deep x 14cms wide x 30cms high. Note the makings on the base is a previous owner's post code.
I do hope that someone can help me or push me in the right direction - I love these two beautiful bowls but frustrated in not knowing who made them.
Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to give me.
With best regards
Gary - Glass Amore
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I have seen a few Coquilles and have a couple myself. They are usually clearly marked. Also in that outer clear rim there is usually a thin white line that cuts the clear section in two. So I am suspicious they are not Flygsfors Coquille. I would try and search Magnor from Norway as a possibility. Here is a photo of a Flygsfors Coquile I have showing the line I refered to.
Ross
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Thank You for your reply Ross i will take a look at Magnor.
With best regards
Gary - Glass Amore
PS your bowl is beautiful
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I posted this same shaped one a while ago.
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,71402.0.html
I've not yet found the maker but it's possibly by Barbini or another Murano sommerso maker.
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Way more likely to be made by Bayel. Some way further down the line of probability would be Magnor or other Scandinavian factories, perhaps Ryd. Murano made would be pretty close to the other end of my line.
John
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Thank you Nev and John for a point in the right direction.
I will keep looking and if I find the maker I will post here.
With best regards
Gary - Glass Amore
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I have found this blue version which has the same shape and base and they claim it to be a Bayel piece. So for now I am going with Bayel France 1960's/70's. But I will keep looking for confirmation.
Thank you for all your help you nice people of the glass message board
With best regards
Gary - Glass Amore
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sorry put the wrong side by side pictures up. here they are
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Bayel looks good for the bowl, but I'd guess the two pieces aren't by the same maker. Can I see a faint mark on the base of the tall one?
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Hi Nev
Thanks for your time
I attach some more pics - it is definitely a Darford postcode marked with a smart pen. DA1 27N which is not too far from me and I did buy them in a charity shop close to DA1.
Under UV light here is a little uranium in the case glass - just a slight glow but not luminous like uranium glass pieces - if that helps.
With best regards
Gary - Glass Amore
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Hi Nev
This is the nearest I can find to our L shaped bowl - its a Bayel piece as it has a gold label but no marks to the base.
With best regards Gary - Glass Amore
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To anyone who remembers - a question popped into my head. Didn't Davidson make something like this at some point? or was that a red herring and never happened? Anyone remember those posts many years ago?
m
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To anyone who remembers - a question popped into my head. Didn't Davidson make something like this at some point? or was that a red herring and never happened? Anyone remember those posts many years ago?
m
I think it was Wayne of 20th Century Glass who'd come across one of those red and yellow pulled bowls with a Davidson label, but that was the only one found so it's likely it found its way erroneously on the piece. Davidson never made much sense. I think he's since found some more with labels from Spanish glassmakers Viartec so they now seem the likeliest candidates.
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Oh thank you! That's good to know. I could never reconcile Davidson and the pulled glass object. Thanks so much for clarifying ... and remembering!
m
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Hello Gary, the green glow visible under UV is almost certainly from manganese in the glass. It was added to clear glass to remove the green tint caused by Iron Oxide in the sand used to make the glass. I'm still looking for a maker of my piece, if I find one I'll let you know.
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Hi Nev
Thanks for the explanation of the glow in the glass under UV light. I am learning everyday. It is so fascinating.
I will keep looking for a maker on the tall bowl and if I find anything I will let you know.
Thanks for all your endeavors
With best regards
Gary - Glass Amore