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Title: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: bat20 on April 24, 2023, 01:46:49 PM

Hi ,This 20cm ht goblet is fairly heavy with a flat rim and well done small arris .There is good wear on the base and a snake like green glass trail around the stem ,I’m guessing last quarter of the 20th century ?.There are tooling marks visible on the bowl and within the glass are small white fragments of pigment here and there…any thoughts on possible makers and age ,thanks .

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: bat20 on April 24, 2023, 03:51:02 PM

I’ve tried to take an image of the tooling ,it’s the sort you would expect on older glass ,but I’m not sure in this case ..you can just about make out fish shaped tooling marks on this image running horizontal and vertical .

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: bat20 on April 24, 2023, 07:02:26 PM

Found my torch !!..I suspected the trail may glow !

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: flying free on April 25, 2023, 12:57:48 AM

I'm not suggesting it is as I really have no idea at all, but the opaline and transparency of it reminds me slightly of these by Fritz Heckert:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,72125.msg401474.html#msg401474

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: bat20 on April 25, 2023, 07:02:49 AM

Thanks m,..yup I think finding the maker is going to be a tricky one !,A date maybe more possible and I haven’t nailed that down in my mind yet .The foot is exactly the same diameter as the rim and I’m wondering about when this type of trail they used kicked off…maybe the jade colour of the trail may help?

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: flying free on April 25, 2023, 07:20:26 AM

date wise I think it's more likely early 1900s or earlier,  than last quarter 20th century.  Did you mean last quarter 19th century?

m

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: bat20 on April 25, 2023, 08:02:11 AM

Yup !!,I was thinking 1880’s area,but it has an older feel about it somehow ?

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: bat20 on April 27, 2023, 06:40:27 AM

I managed to take an image of the white inclusions for interest ,I’m not sure what they tell us or what they are ?

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: flying free on April 27, 2023, 07:42:28 AM

air bubbles?

Schachenbach might be another possibility:
https://www.auctions-fischer.de/index.php?id=509&type=98&L=1Franziska&kategorie=102&artikel=51287

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: glassobsessed on April 27, 2023, 08:07:29 AM

Those spots/bubbles crop up a lot:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68735.0.html

The linked topic in that thread has more examples. Not certain whether air bubbles or not but my impression was they are something else.

More spots:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,72223.0.html

John

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: flying free on April 27, 2023, 08:19:36 AM

Quote from: bat20 on April 25, 2023, 07:02:49 AM

Thanks m,..yup I think finding the maker is going to be a tricky one !,A date maybe more possible and I haven’t nailed that down in my mind yet .The foot is exactly the same diameter as the rim and I’m wondering about when this type of trail they used kicked off…maybe the jade colour of the trail may help?

There is a pitcher with coiled snake handle in the From Neuwelt to the Whole World book - excerpt from Ill. London News 1862 (see page 198 in From Neuwelt to the Whole World)

Title: Re: Bohemian opaque white goblet ?
Post by: bat20 on April 27, 2023, 05:38:07 PM

Thanks m,the word alabaster opens up a lot more avenues !,.It could be small bubbles which coat themselves in something during the process ,or maybe something coagulating in the formula ?..anyway thanks for everyone’s input,big help .