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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: createdbear on May 14, 2023, 06:14:59 PM
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I picked up this fine vase. Amber with white diagonal lines and a frilled base. I feel that it is old but can't find anything on the net. Someone said that it could be Nailsea. The glass is thin. Any of our members on here able to ID it please? Thank you as always for any imput/help.
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Bohemian I suspect from the style and the ground rim. Definitely not Nailsea
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Any signs the rim has been cut?,maybe to remove the chip?..can’t see the rim very well in the photo .
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It has no pontil mark so the rim will have been cut
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Yup ,I was just wondering if it may have had a white trailed rim ?,most likely not .
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Hello all, the rim is indeed cut, but is very level and neatly finished. I am not sure if it has been repaired but looking closely, it doesn't look as if it has been repaired. A mystery. Thanks for the help folks.
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Not a total mystery. It's almost certainly Bohemian and the rim is finished correctly
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Has the look of a bit of late Victorian Welz.
John
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Thank you Christine and John. I do see the likeness to Welz, John. Plenty of images of Welz items online and some similarities.
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I don't think it is Welz though: I will ask "the" expert to look
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The most commonly seen Welz decors in this style do not use thin threads like this, but wider flatter trailings in the glass which look a little more like small ribbons. This uses the threads, which is uncommon for a piece of Welz production. Additionally the "ribbons" used on this type of production generally appear off what, which is a result of a thin casing layer over the white of a light caramel. This does not appear to have that. Both of these details do not disqualify it from being Welz though.
The rim of the piece is hexagonal is shape, which is quite commonly seen on Welz stick and thorn vase production. I would add that to the best of my knowledge, British production as a general rules does not. The foot design is such that it is also less frequently seen on Welz than other styles of applied feet. Because of the pattern of the decor on the attached pic, it is difficult to make out the upward pulls of clear glass onto the body from the foot, but it is on the vase of mine also. Lacking stated measurements in the post, I am assuming that this piece is likely in the 8 inch tall range.
Finding a Welz example of production like this, in a vase lacking windings or trailed rigaree is also not as common, but again, not unheard of and not a disqualifying feature.
All of this being noted and said, I do actually believe that this is an example of Welz production in an uncommon form. The attached image is an example of Welz production in an infrequently seen decor, but a decor solidly linked to Welz production through a couple of key shapes. My example does not have applied rigaree on the body of the vase, but the foot style on this vase and mine are of the same aesthetic.
Would it be OK if I copy your pics for use in my research, and eventually on my website?
Great example, and in a variant of the spiral decor I have not seen before... at least that I recall.
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Another but this time square section rather than hexagonal. I remember seeing an iridescent green variation some time ago, also square section with spirals running up the chimney shape, it did not have feet like these two though.