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Title: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: essi on July 29, 2023, 08:21:54 PM
 Have been having a look on the net to see if i can pin down the manufacturer of this vase.
There has been a couple of references to Nazeing but i do not have the Nazeing book to see if they did this type of work.
Any pointers gratefully received.
The vase is 150mm high and125mm at the top. And a photo for Nev.
Tim.
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: Greg. on July 29, 2023, 08:59:07 PM
Nazeing Lattice may be worth checking.
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: Mosquito on July 30, 2023, 06:12:39 AM
These are also seen in yellow. I have a green one in the same shape as that in the original post. When I tried to find out more about it several years ago, the consensus was not Nazeing and most likely Czech. Several similar vases have been posted on the board before but many of the pics have since disappeared sadly.

Yellow example here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19482

Similar technique but different shape: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,59084
(This thread also mentions a brown example with a Czech label having been seen by Christine)

A pic of the label on a brown example from Christine’s gallery: http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=3260
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: NevB on July 30, 2023, 11:43:34 AM
Thanks for the photo Tim, it's not one I'd have immediately thought was uranium. I can't remember seeing the pattern in my searches but I'll keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: flying free on July 30, 2023, 07:38:33 PM
Here is mine - amber not uranium. It's big, what I'd call a bucket vase and I think the same shape as Christine's green one.  My photo isn't very in perspective.  Mine also has a polished large pontil mark and a firepolished rim.
The label Christine found on a brown version said Czech.

See also this lampbase but that is two colours amber over green.  So a long thread on that as there are other items in the two colours.  Not sure if they are from the same maker as the single colour items.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49627.0;attach=237556;image

Thread is very long  :-[
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,49627.msg280153.html#msg280153

m
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: essi on July 30, 2023, 08:36:28 PM
Thanks for your response for help.
Greg, your suggestion lead me to an old thread where Nigel Benson had used some Nazeing lattice glass for an exhibition.
The type of lattice work in those examples looked a bit wider than my vase.
The type of lattice in the flying free picture looks the same as mine.
Maybe this and Christine's label points towards a Czech origin?.
I tried to take a base photo the same as Christine's and noticed a tiny bit of iridescence. Maybe an old label mark,maybe wishful thinking.
I do have a few items of Nazeing glass and when i dig them out i will see if they react to UV light.
Thanks again,
Tim   
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: flying free on July 30, 2023, 08:52:07 PM
I have two Nazeing lattice bowls. One in green and white and one in blue and white.  I don't think it's the same as my amber vase.  Will try and take a pic of them together in a mo

Close up attached. The Nazeing bowl is somehow thicker and heavier although the Czech vase is also substantial and heavy. They are different heft for size somehow.  It looks like they are both done with enamels feathering though but they're differently created patterns I think. 
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: essi on July 30, 2023, 09:18:47 PM
Thanks for taking the time to post the images side by side.
The difference in technique seems quite strong.
Tim
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: NevB on July 31, 2023, 08:46:05 AM
On P9. of m's second link there's a reference to Ernst Steinwald. I was looking into this as I thought there was some similarity between yours and their "spiral" pattern.

https://www.bohemianglass.org/katalog/vaza-vz-78-opal-spiral-2065/detail/
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: flying free on July 31, 2023, 08:59:52 AM
Nev there is some discussion over those origin of those pieces including the lattice pieces.
That link says Steinwald or Kralik.
It's still under debate.

m
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: essi on July 31, 2023, 06:11:15 PM
Thanks for the further information.
I tested two bits of Nazeing tonight and there was no reaction to the UV light.
I think we can rule them out.
Tim
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 02, 2023, 08:52:12 AM
These are definitely Czech: I saw the  label (that just says made in Czechoslovakia in a typical post-war embossed gold) and photographed it and the OP's vase is the same uranium colour as mine. I also wouldn't trust the Bohemian Glass website. Ales' research is often very flaky and unsupported by facts. Also the spiral is nothing liked the spiral and combed technique
Title: Re: Help needed with gauze style vase
Post by: flying free on August 02, 2023, 09:00:01 AM
... Also the spiral is nothing liked the spiral and combed technique

Agreed.  The spiral vase might have something in common with my lampbase because I found a similar shape design but in the same decor and two colour as my lampbase shown on that GMB thread. 
However,  I don't think the maker of the lampbase and my amber bucket vase like Christine's / Essi's have a decor in common.  It remains to be seen whether they've come from the same maker but decor wise they're not the same.

m