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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: bat20 on August 26, 2023, 10:07:44 AM
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Hi,I picked this piece up thinking it was scandi and was very surprised by the trade mark ..,it’s probably an easy one for a lot of you but it got me by surprise !, surprising amount of wear .
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what trade mark?
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You don’t want to have a guess then ??
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Not that exciting I suppose 😂,it just got me a bit by surprise ,it’s very heavy for it’s size ?
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What is the trade mark?
I'd have thought maybe Caithness because of the colour.
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Oh dear have i mucked up again, I thought it was a a Sowerby swan ??
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Oh sorry. I've no idea what a Sowerby swan looks like.
The bowl's a nice shape because of the foot but the colour is a bit 70s :)
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That’s what I thought was fairly interesting about it, they packed up in the 70’s and the swan was replaced with a label a bit earlier
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I think you mean peacock mark.
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Sorry all ,obviously peacock .
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:-[ I had thought Caithness too, from the colour AND the foot. I wasn't so sure about the rim, so stayed quiet.
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Did Caithness have a similar peacock stamp ,the peacock is the correct way round when looking into the bowl , but it’s tricky to get a photo !..it’s made by some sort of industrial process .
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A Sowerby peacock should be on the inside and right way round. How was the bowl made?
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Interesting to see Sowerby returning to use their peacock mark in the sixties/ seventies (I seem to recall Sowerby closed in 1972). There is some precedent for northeast manufacturers reintroducing stamped marks around this time as Davidson also added their moulded lion trademark to their marble glass reissue of Jobling's 2598 ashtray when they produced it in marble glass in the mid sixties.
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Caithness never had any stamped mark. I was, and I suspect Flying-free was too, just looking at the whole piece. I couldn't make out the mark, and that made me decide agaisnt saying anything too.
The whole bowl itself is very similar to 70's Caithness. Which was based on the popular scandi designs of the time.
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I suspect Scandinavian glass was the in thing at that period and everyone else must have been trying to play catch up to stay in the market ?
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Domhnall O'Brion did, at Caithness. I don't know if any others did.
The "market" in general was much, much smaller then than now.
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I think a lot of designers /artists were reacting to modernism at the time .
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If it was Sowerby it would be late 1960's-70's, looking at other pieces online from that period some have labels but none has an impressed mark. I don't think it's a Sowerby mark but I'm sure I've seen it somewhere else but I can't place where.
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I think we need to know if it's pressed or blown before we speculate further; I can't tell from the photo. It may not even be a mark.
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Hi , I mentioned a couple of posts ago that I thought it was made in some sort of industrial fashion , it’s got a bit of a Pyrex feel but i don’t know how it was made ,certainly not blown though .I just can’t get a image of the mark looking into the bowl and I’m fairly sure that’s how it was intended to be viewed ,here’s a few more images .
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oh nice pic. Can see the peacock now.
See also this one from a similar period? but I can't find it in my house at the moment so no idea what I've done with it or whether it has a mark. I guess not but the post was a long time ago:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34721.msg187920.html#msg187920
A brown one on Etsy but not the same as your bowl - more bottle brown glass that one.
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Stylistically this bowl looks similar to me to Davidson’s 531 bowl designed by J.D. Cochrane and launched in the early sixties. The main difference being that the 531 bowl has a more elongated oval shape. Something interesting I read on Chris and Val Stewart’s site (cloudglass.com) about the 531 pattern: ‘ This design was subsequently copied by other manufacturers, most noticeably Sowerby, who produced similar shaped designs in a variety of sizes.’ http://cloudglass.com/davidsonpostwar.htm
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Yes a much better photo showing it is the Sowerby mark. If the diameter is the same it might be the 2794 bowl shown here, the catalogue image isn't very clear. I would say it was pressed in a mould to give it it's shape and to produce the mark.
https://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_catalogues/sowerby/list41/?page=2
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That's definitely pressed and a Sowerby mark. Likely an old base plate was used in a 1970s product
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It certainly does look like 2794 ,although it’s diameter is 8”.
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The sizes given in the catalogues weren't always exact, I've had a look for a photo of a 2794 bowl but can't find one.