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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: redheat4 on September 17, 2006, 08:56:44 PM
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Hi I was wondering if some of you may know what this glass was used for, it's obviously not for drinking as the turned rim would make it difficult.
The overall height is 60mm, the folded foot diameter is 115mm and the rim diameter is 82mm.
I do have a couple of theories but I would be interested in what you think.
http://i9.tinypic.com/2ldvarn.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/490ipl2.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/4fxymfn.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/2w7r70j.jpg
Ian :?:
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Interesting question.
Cuspidor? Rose bowl?
Glen
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Possibly as a decorative item in which a goldfish merrily floated about for a week or so; until, well, gulp. Or maybe a flower was floated in it; similar to the way the white flower floats over a lily pad.
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Much to small 60mm is just over 2". I would be looking for a medical use, has it got signs of age? But maybe too fancy for that.
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At that size it would be the perfect size to store a glass eye in... if you needed to of course.
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Despite the size, I'm still going for some type of flower vase in the range of a rose bowl (maybe for some minature flower? ) :)
It's the rim that has me convinced.
Carolyn
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I think there may have been a typo for the height - if you look at the sizes given for the rim and foot, and then look at the proportions of the glass in the photograph.
I suspect it should read 160mm - a touch over 6" - which isn't so small.
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My vote is for Rose Bowl. Unless............ it could be for dentures? :?
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A sweetmeat dish?
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Hi I apologise to you all I wrote the dimentions on a scrap of paper then couldn't decipher my own writing, the true dimentions are height 115mm, rim60mm and foot 82mm.
It is amost certainly 18th century.
Ian :oops:
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Frank might be on the right track in thinking the use was medical, especially if it is dating back to the 17th century. Didn't "doctors" use some sort of techinque that they would put something underneath a glass to suction out the bad mojo in some ailing patient?
You wouldn't be able to tell from that medical description above, but I really do have two doctors in my family!!!! :roll:
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This was made to contain ? for the sucking out of "bad mojo"
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I appologize Redheat I was trying to be funny. I was thinking it might be a Cupping glass. Something like this example.
http://www.phisick.com/a3cs4.htm
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Okay, I found it. It's a leech jar.
http://www.phisick.com/a3ljc1.htm
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Nancy gets the lollypop, well done.
At first I was not sure myself what it was I thought maybe a small lacemakers lamp, but somewhere in the back of my mind I had seen a leech container in ceramic and it was a similar shape to this, and just before you posted your reply I found one on google.
Regards
Ian
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by the way no need to appologize
:wink:
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Leach jar was my first thought but it is much to well made and delicate, generally these are quite robust and basic. They had to cope with a lot of rough and tumble and were often left in place for lengthy periods.
Listening glass was another possibility, which can be easily tested. If it works then it is a possibility.
Milking glass for a lady.
It won't be a letting jar as they always had a cutter inside, you did not want air getting to the wound during the process :roll:
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Definitely for very up market leeches then. Folded foot much nicer than the ?pressed? one on Nancy's link.
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At that size it would be the perfect size to store a glass eye in... if you needed to of course.
Actually before the leeches came up I wondered whether it could have been an eye-bath.
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Compare Strange & Rare, Item 85, page 27. Almost identical down to the merese in the stem, then supported by four balls. Posy bowl is preferred here, with a vague date of C19/C20.
The folded and large diameter foot is an indicator of Georgian or early Victorian date with drinking glasses, but I am not sure whether this holds true for other vessels. A stemmed posy bowl would need more stability. Walsh were still making folded feet in the 1930s, on flower supports — I've got one in stock. See Reynolds fig. 44.
Like Frank, I'm not keen on the merese and overall quality on standard medical equipment, but better quality equipment must have been made for the classier medics.
Bernard C. 8)
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Ooohhh well done Nancy! I wouldn't have figured a leech jar. :shock:
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Promise me that you will use it for a rose bowl before you use it for its real purpose? :roll: :lol:
Carolyn
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Ooohhh well done Nancy! I wouldn't have figured a leech jar. :shock:
We don't either :o
Would have to be a very classy doctor with several assistants to hold them all in place.
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Nancy gets the lollypop, well done.
Do I get second prize (sweetmeat dish) - for candied leeches ???? :lol:
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The consensus is NOT a leaching glass.
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I believe it is an ivy bowl.
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After a deal of research I am satisfied that this is a leech bowl of the mid 18th century, the construction and material of the metal is definately from this period.
Strange and Rare page 27 item 85 was mentioned but this item is certainly of a much later date, and may even relate to a little inkwell I have which is certainly of early C20th American origin.
http://i9.tinypic.com/3zid4xk.jpg
In this same publication page 67 item 233 you will find a Goldfish bowl C1770 that would appear to be of equally delicate manufacture.
Frank you mentioned that the "Doctor would need several assistants to hold them in place". This bowl would simply be used to hold a few leeches.
Imagine the scene. Her Ladyship has gone down with a dose of the screaming abdabs, the physic decides she needs bleeding, the servant is despatched to the pharmacy to get some leech's, he takes with him the leech bowl, the leech's are placed in the bowl and a muslin tied over to keep them in but allows them to breath, the leech's are then placed strategically on Her Ladyship and suck away merrily.
Just for interest here is some of my glass collection, most of it is still packed as we moved house recently.
http://i10.tinypic.com/47m98jr.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/2dkicec.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/2v3376o.jpg
Ian :D :wink:
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Much to small 60mm is just over 2"
I agree that leech jar is wishful thinking. check here for the genuine article
http://www.thegarret.org.uk/collectionlist.htm
you can also google for images and you'll get a fairly accurate idea of how big a leech jar must be before it can sustain live leeches.
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The small ones were used to put and hold the leach in place on the skin and had no feet just a knob to hold.
I feel sure your glass had a more decorative use or for lactation.
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more genuine articles, by the way as previously stated mine is 115mm high.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330032679490
http://www.medicalantiques.com/medical/Scarifications_and_Bleeder_Medical_Antiques.htm
http://www.rauantiques.com/28-2120.html?&rel=C&relid=1939
Ian :wink:
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Excuse this post being years late, I've returned to this message board after some time.
I can't see the pics but would love to as I collect leech pots and would be most curious to see this piece that has been speculated about. Could you repost it?
thanks, Julie