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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: NevB on January 30, 2024, 01:00:24 PM
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I think this is an early-mid Victorian ale glass. It is engraved with the name James Hogg, a surname more commonly found in Scotland, which might indicate it's origin. It's 5.5" tall and quite wide at 4.5", with a rough snapped pontil mark.
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It rings beautifully and a density test gives it at 450/150 so 3gms/cm3. No clue yet as to a possible maker.
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Nice glass, and with the name too - I couldn’t write that well with a biro on paper ;) A nice glass to use I should think.
Does it definitely have a rough pontil mark, it looks quite smooth like those made with a gadget? The swirl on the bottom looks like where the glob of glass used to make the foot was twisted off, similar to ‘T’ shaped shear marks, but twisted off rather than sheared.
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Thanks Ekimp, it definitely has a snapped pontil as part of it is still quite sharp but the rest has been smoothed. Overall the foot is very crude, apprentice made perhaps? The stem and the bowl are really well made. Curiously I have another engraved goblet, signed L. Hay/Ray, it could almost have been done by the same person.
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Ok, thanks. Sometimes it’s surprising how the pontil rod can come off without too much of a scar.
The foot looks fine, it looks like it sits on the outer edge of the foot rather than wobbling around the middle…and is round. Some of them are horrible!
Maybe they were all taught their letters the same way.
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Looks like a rummer type bowl about 1800,but it is unusual to see a ball knop on that form ,in my rummer book you do see the ball knop on 1810ish cylinder rummers .I wonder if that style of pin point engraving might nail down a date ??
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Looks like diamond etching and not done professionally, so I doubt it will help with dating. It's not uncommon to find such engraving. This possibly Edward Moore salt is etched Thomas, Jane and Mary http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=826
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I think the skill level is much higher on Nev’s glass than your example Christine if you look closely .
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Doesn't mean it's professional though
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Thanks bat20, as you say it seems to be a crossover. The bowl and the disc where it joins the stem appear to be around 1800 , the ball knop and the snapped pontil a bit later. The dates when the various features changed don't seem to be set in stone. There was a Scottish writer called James Hogg(1770-1835), though it would really be wishful thinking to connect it to him.
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With pewter drinking vessels the name on the side was often the pub landlord to help prevent theft.
https://www.pewtersociety.org/identifying-and-collecting-pewter/ownership-marks
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If I sat at the end of my table and scratched bat20 onto one of my rummers it certainly wouldn’t be anywhere near the the skill level we see on Nev’s glass, whatever it’s history might be .
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Yes bat20, whoever did it went to the trouble of adding scrolls, leaves and other details, really well done.