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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => France => Topic started by: Mosquito on June 01, 2024, 08:43:03 AM
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After looking into glass marked 'Costebelle' when researching Legsy's penguin patterned pot (https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,73414.0.html), I've dug out a small mould-blown opalescent vase or lamp base from my collection in a pattern which has also been seen with the mark 'Costebelle'.
The vase stands approx 13 cm tall by 6 cm in diameter at the base. There is a faint 'Made in France' moulded mark to the underside. This example has no other apparent mark, but a pair of these mounted as lamps were sold on Ebay Fr with clear moulded 'Costebelle' marks. Sadly that listing has since expired, but for now a photo from the listing showing the mark can be found here: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yjoAAOSwvzZlVjB7/s-l1600.jpg
Interestingly, on my vase the area where the Costebelle mark would be has a noticeably rougher texture (last pic. below), possibly suggesting the mark was removed from the mould.
So far I cannot find a great deal about Costebelle. As I noted in the above post, Ivo's book lists a Verreries de Costebelle who specialised in lighting. However, there also appears to be an Etling connection as several lidded boxes in known Etling commission designs are also sometimes seen with the moulded Costebelle mark.
Does anybody know more about Costebelle? Are these opalescent/frosted piees from Verreries de Costebelle or were they made at Choisy-le-Roi as the Etling pieces are believed to have been?
Some more Costebelle glass can be seen in the thread here: http://placedelours.superforum.fr/t6782-vide-poche-aux-pingouins-costebelle
Also, the motif on this vase may be related to that on a lidded box which is also seen sometimes with Etling marks and sometimes with the 'Costebelle' mark: https://www.antique-shimaisha.com/product/1229 Etling's 274 'Boy and ball' pattern: https://projetetling.wikidot.com/etling274boyball
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Some more pictures:
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And here's another related piece: a lidded box with a floral motif to the lid. This one is apparently unmarked, but the pattern is known with both Etling (https://projetetling.wikidot.com/etling278) and Costebelle marks.
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A tiny bit of possible information here about a bonbonniere also linked to S. Reich & Co (you may already know this as it references Project Etling) -
https://reartdeco.ch/costebelle/
It says
'... However, a bonbonniere marked with ‘Etling 277’ is found in the Etling cataligue http://projetetling.wikidot.com/etling277. It makes it guess that Costebelle was an Artist (artistic name) who worked for Etling Project, like Georges Béal.
It is also known that same design was also included in a trinket set produced by S. Reich & Co. (PDF), which was produced in 1934.'
As an aside I've just read on another site that one of the designers for Etling was Loetz.
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and a question re the Made in France mark - would it have been for export ware or was there a requirement to mark items 'made in France' by law for the French sales market?
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Thanks -- yes, I've already seen that page and the similarity to the Reich pattern.
Regarding the comment: 'It makes it guess that Costebelle was an Artist (artistic name) who worked for Etling Project, like Georges Béal', I had considered this, but I think those designer marks are usually (always?) seen in addition to the Etling mark. In the case of these lidded pots, the examples I've seen have either been marked Etling or Costebelle and have never carried both marks. That said, I seem to recall the Loetz production for Etling was simply signed 'Richard' and didn't mention Etling either.
Other possibilities I'm considering are that may be Etling didn't have exclusive rights to some of these more common patterns, meaning that other retailers could sell them under their own names, or maybe the designs were issued under different names after Etling's store closed?
Certainly there are other instances of documented Etling designs seen with other marks, most famously perhaps 'Julien', but there's also an Etling wine coaster which is sometimes seen with 'Cesari' marks.
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I was just wondering if some of these designs which have Made in France mark but no Etling mark (or other mark such as Costebelle), may have been made for export only? hence the Made in France mark.
Is it known if any Etling pieces carry an Etling mark and also carry a Made in France mark i.e. both on the same piece?
I have also been wondering whether the lamps shown on ebay marked Costebelle had a Made in France mark as well? I suppose I'm wondering if another maker/retailer abroad had delivery of the 'Made in France' marked items (marked 'made in France' as made for export for example) but with no brand name on them because they wanted to sell them under their own name or didn't want the maker identified.
Referring back to your comment about Etling not having exclusive rights to certain designs - I wonder who designed them then? Were they designed in house at Choisy-le-Roi? and so perhaps under the Choisy-le-Roi issue. This would mean Choisy-le-Roi could make them and send them to whatever retailer they chose perhaps?
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This lidded pot is marked with Made in France and also Costebelle according to the museum description:
https://musees-reims.fr/oeuvre/bonbonniere-123046718313325564
part quote of info -
'inscription concernant le lieu d'exécution
sur l'assise, en creux
MADE IN FRANCE
signé ; inscription concernant le fabricant
sur l'objet, sur le récipient, sur la panse, en creux
Costebelle'
This is an interesting piece. Just in case it helps identify the 'Costebelle' mark at some point. It's not possible to see the signed mark in the photograph but it's an unusual and gorgeous piece, perfume bottle seemingly coloured/patinated and apparently signed 'A. Costebelle' according to the listing:
https://www.coutaubegarie.com/lot/4759/1000679-acostebelle-mouettes-annees-19
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After looking into glass marked 'Costebelle' when researching Legsy's penguin patterned pot (https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,73414.0.html), I've dug out a small mould-blown opalescent vase or lamp base from my collection in a pattern which has also been seen with the mark 'Costebelle'.
The vase stands approx 13 cm tall by 6 cm in diameter at the base. There is a faint 'Made in France' moulded mark to the underside. This example has no other apparent mark, but a pair of these mounted as lamps were sold on Ebay Fr with clear moulded 'Costebelle' marks. Sadly that listing has since expired, but for now a photo from the listing showing the mark can be found here: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yjoAAOSwvzZlVjB7/s-l1600.jpg
Interestingly, on my vase the area where the Costebelle mark would be has a noticeably rougher texture (last pic. below), possibly suggesting the mark was removed from the mould.
So far I cannot find a great deal about Costebelle. As I noted in the above post, Ivo's book lists a Verreries de Costebelle who specialised in lighting. However, there also appears to be an Etling connection as several lidded boxes in known Etling commission designs are also sometimes seen with the moulded Costebelle mark.
Does anybody know more about Costebelle? Are these opalescent/frosted piees from Verreries de Costebelle or were they made at Choisy-le-Roi as the Etling pieces are believed to have been?
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Also, the motif on this vase may be related to that on a lidded box which is also seen sometimes with Etling marks and sometimes with the 'Costebelle' mark: https://www.antique-shimaisha.com/product/1229 Etling's 274 'Boy and ball' pattern: https://projetetling.wikidot.com/etling274boyball
Is this piece the same as the one in this link which shows a perfume atomiser - apparently H19cm though?
https://www.varenne-encheres.com/lot/25347/5516319-costebelle-annees-1930rare-fla?
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Certainly looks to be the same pattern. I guess the difference in height is due to the measurement also including the atomiser hardware. Presumably there must be more of a neck on this one too for the atomiser to fit over. It would be difficult to fit an atomiser on my example, so I wonder if it’s been cut down at some point or if this pattern was available with different neck styles. Interesting to see the same pattern as both a lamp and an atomiser.
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Another Costebelle design can be seen here: https://www.artz.fr/fr_vases_details.php?id=4128 I’ve seen these in both plain frosted glass, sometimes with a blue patina, and in opalescent. Some carry the moulded ‘Costebelle’ mark, but I’ve seen at least one that was apparently unsigned.
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I think in my brief 'searches' I've seen that in a few different finishes and also one I think marked Costebelle France.
Having looked at some previous threads on GMB on Etling and various other marks, it seems a very complicated area/subject. I don't own any French pieces in this area of glass so I've never looked into it. I had no idea how complex and seemingly opaque it is reference makers.
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Thanks -- yes, I've already seen that page and the similarity to the Reich pattern.
Regarding the comment: 'It makes it guess that Costebelle was an Artist (artistic name) who worked for Etling Project, like Georges Béal', I had considered this, but I think those designer marks are usually (always?) seen in addition to the Etling mark. In the case of these lidded pots, the examples I've seen have either been marked Etling or Costebelle and have never carried both marks. That said, I seem to recall the Loetz production for Etling was simply signed 'Richard' and didn't mention Etling either.
Other possibilities I'm considering are that may be Etling didn't have exclusive rights to some of these more common patterns, meaning that other retailers could sell them under their own names, or maybe the designs were issued under different names after Etling's store closed?
Certainly there are other instances of documented Etling designs seen with other marks, most famously perhaps 'Julien', but there's also an Etling wine coaster which is sometimes seen with 'Cesari' marks.
I've just come across something on google search regarding the word 'Julien'. I don't know if you or the Etling project already know this ... you probably do...
Under a 'book' called Ceramique et verrerie 1937 only a 'snippet' of info to see but it appears that on page 68 there is a mention of a M. Dreyfus (not Dreyfuss with 2 x s at the end as mentioned in the Brief History page on the Etling Project site) with in brackets after his name is written '(Julien), Societe Anonyme ETLING EDMOND), Bronzes et objets d'art, 29, Rue de Paradis, Paris 10th.
Source here:
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/C%C3%A9ramique_et_verrerie/Pg2ld7_8KdUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=edmond+etling+choisy+le+roi&dq=edmond+etling+choisy+le+roi&printsec=frontcover
And another mention in another book that Julien Dreyfus was Etling's nephew?
Could it be a link to glass marked Julien?
I'm just adding a link to a much older thread here on the GMB but I guess info and knowledge has moved on since then!
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,11976.msg84601.html#msg84601