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Title: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: niktam on June 01, 2024, 09:10:40 AM
Hi,
Any idea of maker or is it a Chinese copy?
Many thanks,
Marie.
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 01, 2024, 06:02:09 PM
 ;D I suspect it might be a Japanese original. But I can't remember the name of the company that made the "carnaby-alike" stuff.  :-[
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: niktam on June 02, 2024, 08:52:38 AM
Hi Sue,
Didn't know that Japan was at it as well - will check it out.
Many thanks for all your help,
Marie.
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: Ivo on June 02, 2024, 12:28:06 PM
95% sure this is Dalian.
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 03, 2024, 01:30:18 PM
It's certainly not out of the question, and you know far more than I do, Ivo.  ;D

Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: niktam on June 03, 2024, 02:22:30 PM
Hi Ivo/Sue,
Have just been checking China section - looked at Japan yesterday and can see the examples Sue was thinking of and only find a couple of photos close to this style, Ivo, also checked 20th Glass site which does have several Hooped Vases, but not finding this colour. 

I can remember, many years ago, seeing on here a photo of a Chinese copy and the red was a vibrant Blue/Red which made me think this might be a Copy - am not finding the example I remember.  Any thoughts on the shades of red - all the Scandi and others seem to use a more yellow-based red and any examples of Japan/Chinese shades, are not showing the colour I remember?
Thank you both for your time,
Marie.
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: Ivo on June 03, 2024, 02:34:57 PM
It is rather the very weak colour white on the inside which is typical for Dalian. I visited their stand on the Tendence in Frankfurt some years ago and they had 10s of 1000s of pieces - all a bit wishy washy. No strong whites.
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: niktam on June 03, 2024, 03:15:40 PM
Hi Ivo,
Yes, a very good point - I did notice that the Scandi cased white interiors are very robust in comparison.
Thank you for your help.
All the best,
Marie.
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 04, 2024, 10:10:23 AM
It's important to note that it's not a copy even if it is Chinese. This hooped vase style was made in lots of countries
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 04, 2024, 12:21:37 PM
I've noticed Chinese reds tend to be rather on the orange side. Like this hooped vase is.
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: niktam on June 04, 2024, 01:21:01 PM
Hi Christine,
A valid point - did China/Japan produce for home market only or were they aiming at a worldwide sales and what would be the scale of production?  Have been trying to find a match for this shape and colour and am not finding anything.

Hi Sue,
re colour: in the flesh the colour is a glowing blue/red I also have a bent neck vase in the same type of colour which is quite stunning even though I'm not keen on the type of design (think it's an ugly shape) and have always assumed it was Chinese with a take on Ikea.  I'm not very good a taking photos and there is probably a way to adjust tone, but it's above my pay grade  :-\
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 04, 2024, 06:09:06 PM
 ;D It was the orangeness of the red in the photos that led me to the far east (as well as knowing a Japanese company made carnaby-alike and gulvase-alike works).
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 06, 2024, 08:31:15 AM
China and Japan sold/sell worldwide on varying scales and have done for many many years. And these days Ikea glass is often made in China, though designed in Sweden. Just because you can't find another doesn't mean it wasn't produced in quite large numbers. Maybe the algorithms aren't pulling it up or there are just no photos online
Title: Re: Cased Hoop Vase ID or Chinese Copy?
Post by: niktam on June 06, 2024, 09:08:27 AM
Hi Christine,
Thank you for taking the time to reply - yes, that must be the case, it's frustrating not to be able to pin it down, but I'll just have to leave it there.
Best wishes,
Marie.