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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on August 09, 2024, 01:54:45 PM
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I shall be away from home for a day or two as from tomorrow, so thought I'd show one or two pieces that I've found over the past eighteenth months or so ................. hope they're of some interest:
first off is this blue cloud glass bowl complete with frog and plinth - can't imagine Davidson did anything larger than this one ........ maximum rim diameter is 36.5 cms. and no damage that I'm aware of. Of course, it could have been red;-)
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Red would have been a very big cherry on the cake but fabulous to have it complete, is the frog cloud coloured too?
John
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yes, a complete suite - all three pieces present and correct and of matching cloud colour.
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That's beautiful. Great find. Is the frog marked on the base?
m
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base marks are: the diameter of 5.1/2 is shown on three equally spaced positions toward the outside of the base - then MADE IN ENGLAND - then PATENT 7830/1910 - the frog sits on six pimple sort of feet and each project about 5 mm in height. This looks to be the general style of wording on the base of most frogs, until you get to the really small ones, then there is a reduction in this information. I've looked at only a couple of frogs, but the Patent information appears to be the same - probably for most if not all frogs.
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This was mine in a different shaped (geometric) and smaller bowl - the frog had a silver epns epergne attached so was just curious :)
m
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Hi - I've not seen your design before - can't quite visualize the attachment of the EPNS part - is this on the top or the underside - don't think I'd call this an epergne - perhaps just a refinement of the frog design:-) Is yours a Davidson piece?
For what it's worth I also have one of the Davidson large 8 inch oval shaped frogs, and that too appears to carry the Patent No. 7830/1910 (same as the round frogs) - wording is identical except, obviously, it shows the size as 8 inches.
Frogs were made of course by other Companies - do we know if anyone has uploaded a picture of Davidson's 1910 patent from the Kew Archives?
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as attached :)
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actually the silver is marked - see attached.
I don't own it anymore I don't think. Think I sold it as have no idea where it might be otherwise.
m
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join the club - virtually all of mine went out too - books as well. But I like it a lot - it's cute, novel, interesting and unusual. Oh, (tears) if only I could have much of mine back - nope, don't really mean that - collecting and hoarding is for anoraks ;D ;)
You might help me please - thought I might find the Webb moire pattern on the Board's archive - but I can't ................ might you be able to post a picture to remind me of what it looks like, please?
I can see the Sterling mark, and possibly what is a worn leopards head for London.
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Is that the 'Webb' moire that turned out to be Stuart - Bernard's bowl was an example. Is that the one you mean?
Eek,I could never get rid of my books. I still buy and collect :)
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heavens, you don't expect me to remember something that B.C. posted 10 years ago !! ;-). The 'moire' decorative pattern was T.W. - surely never Stuart. I have a feeling that I shall have to buy another copy of Hajdamach (the one on C19 glass) - so much useful information in there, though obviously not if you're into C20 studio. Suppose I could trundle through all my Kew pix to find it.
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I'll try and find the thread and link it for you :)
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oops I think I was thinking of a different pattern!
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5410.msg99233.html#msg99233
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Webb Moire appears in Charles Hajdamach's British Glass 1800-1914 page 433.
It's shown as 1907 and is wavy lines from side to side - drawn on a straight sided flared tumbler shape, as top to bottom stripes waved from side to side with the first wave at the top down going to the left, then to the right (middle of tumbler) then finally going left again at the bottom. Like a sideways loose w but with rounded corners on the W not pointed - and the w being on it's side.
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ah, thanks for that - so definitely Thomas Webb and just into the C20 then. I think my original point about querying the use of the description 'moire' for this bottle, was the apparent lack of reference that the word might have to this decanter - shape or engraving. However, I suppose the idea in naming the bottle 'moire', was that the word has a sort of ancient Islamic flavour which links it to this shape, though confusion sets in immediately in the sense that T.W. had already used the word 'moire' to describe a decorative pattern. No matter, folk can describe things however they wish ;D
Can you loan me your copy of Hajdamach ...................... for about 10 years. ;) ;)
sorry, we're massively off topic - must desist 8)