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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: essi on October 20, 2024, 02:30:01 PM
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Picked this up today and was very happy to own it.
I have a theory of what this might be but would love to have some input from the board members.
My theory might just be wishful thinking.
It is 5.5inches tall,6.25 inches at the top and 4.5 inches at the base.
Sorry for the quality of the pictures.
Tim
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It's delightful. Very Art Deco - is it? or is it a bit later? No polished pontil mark(? it's difficult to tell).
If not, is it Czech?
m
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Thanks for the reply M. i was thinking/hoping it could be British art deco.
There is no polished pontil.
I will try and find some Czech images.
Tim
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Meant to add , to me it has an artistic influence.
Tim
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definitely.
I think it looks like flowers and grasses a bit like this kind of whimsical decoration:
https://www.artkabinet.cz/en/auction/auction-results/alfred-dorn-art-deco-vase.html
But it also reminds me of moons so makes me think 50s space age type thing. No polished pontil and a cut rim might make me think Czech. That's all guesswork though.
What were you thinking of? Stuart perhaps? Something in the British Glass Hajdamach book? I'll have a look.
It has a lot of base wear so is it heavy?
m
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Reminds me of Kandinsky, this might be of interest: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,50719.msg
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Yes , i take your point about the Glass in the Czech link. In the book, British glass between the wars published by Dudley leisure services, on page 31
there is a whisky set with similar themes designed by Paul Nash for the British art in industry exhibition 1935.
It says that Stuart & sons were asked to take part in the exhibition .
This is all just speculation on my behalf.
The vase is not heavy and for the amount of base wear the vase is in very good nick.
Tim
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Wow, i would be happy if my British art deco theory was wrong and the vase was anything to do with Kandinsky.
Thanks for posting that link Ekimp.
Tim
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I should have said Franz Welz not Kandinsky.
Tim
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ok I've looked at British Glass Between the Wars and I see what you mean. It's not the same design though but similar idea. However:
- having looked under a magnifying glass it's hard to tell but I think the circles on the Stuart BGBtW are engraved on
- the no pontil and cut rim would still make me think Czech rather than British as a first port of call to look. But I could be very wrong :)
Have you checked Hajdamach British Glass?
The photographs in BGBtW are terrible to see clearly, but there is a decanter page 93 by Laura Knight for Stuart that also reminds me of your vase whimsical, sparse, lines and circles (can't see how that circle was done but perhaps Hajdamach will have a better picture - will go look)
m
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The Dame Laura Knight decanter is on page 167 of 20th century British Glass, Hajdamach.
Next to it is another decanter with enamelling.
Hajdamach caption says 'Plate 350 ... On her drawing for the clown decanter Knight has added the comment 'Decanter could be done etched in colours or in cuts rounds & ovals dull, drum dull, rest all polished'.'
So that description could fit the decoration on your vase. But... no pontil mark, cut rim?
And on page 165 Hajdamach comments that Dame Laura Knight '...was the only one of the group (he talks about a group of named designers) to combine acid-etching and enamelling for her designs for the circus range and for the 'Modern Bacchanal', ....'
That quote is taken out of context by me as too long to type it all up. Therefore it could be interpreted, as I read it, that it applies only to those designs by Dame Laura Knight, but also it could be read as applying to her being the only one to incorporate enameling and acid-etching in her work.
Difficult but I'm still veering towards it being Czech however there's nothing in the Das Bohmische Glas Band IV that's cut and enamelled that I could see. That's not conclusive of course though.
Page 122 plate 239 Hajdamach as above, there are some interesting etched coloured dots on Stuart items. No match to shape and still we have the no pontil mark but they look quite similar perhaps?
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Not Franz Welz, but I agree with M: Continental rather than British
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Thanks for delving into the books on my posting M. The Stuart pattern's for the circle decoration in the Hajdamach book look interesting, but much brighter than the muted colours on my vase.
Had a close look at the circles on my vase and they are slightly textured under the enamel. does this mean they have been shot blasted or acid etched?
I will continue to look around to see if i can nail this one down.
Tim
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Paul Nash tumbler Stuart - here for comparison Tim
https://collections.vam.ac.uk/context/organisation/A403/stuart-sons-ltd
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Some nice things in that V&A link.
You can see so much more surface detail in those images. The circles have fine cutting in them and i'm guessing a pontil base.
I think my Paul Nash theory is busted.
Tim
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Just as an observation i have seen quite a few pieces of similar shape
sitting on dishes made at the Orrefors Factory in the 20's-30's many
by Edward Hald mainly saying as very similar shaped pieces not a shape
i would think of as very English but just saying sorry not much help.
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Taking the lead from Legsy's post re Hald, this attached is quite interesting, but looking closer the engraving isn't the same and I'd have expected anything to be marked? My little engraved bowls from Lindstrand are marked I think and they are tiny. That said, there is so much wear on the base of your bowl that perhaps the mark has been obscured. Or is the wear too far into the centre perhaps:
https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctions/640/6-edward-hald-a-swedish-grace-engraved-glass-bowl-fyrverkeri-with-a-plate-orrefors-sweden-1924-model-nr-248