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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: shadespast on January 12, 2005, 04:15:38 AM
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Hi there!
I hope someone can help me ID this centerpiece set. The glass is a rough satin with an embossed pattern and sets freely on this art deco pattern pot metal stand. The glass glows a very bright green under UV light. The glass is around 8 by 10 inches.
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Many thanks,
Nan 8)
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What a marvellous piece Nan. I don't know who made it but my gut feeling says not English (although someone who knows much more about glass than I do will probably put you right!)
I've not seen one like this before but the metalwork is reminiscent of a handle on a Bavarian-made china cake/tidbits plate I had - maybe that's why it feels un-English to me.
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Nice piece, I would imagine if no one recognises the glass that the base will tell all (some :? ). Does it have any markings on the base, inside or under the glass.
It is obviously deco styled but not pure - which would imply midrange quality. What is the metal? Iron will be magnetic. Bronze will be brown inside, if you scratch it and get silver it will be 'base' metal. Finally is it painted or some other finish?
Bavarian, hmmm, does not feel right - I would guess the metal to be French styled or based on a French design of an earlier period.
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Anne, thanks for your input. I'm jumping around between Bohemian and English but now Frank is saying a French look.
Frank, the metal has been painted gold. A magnet does not stick to this base which is light in weight compared to others I've seen. When scratched the metal is silver. There are no markings on either the glass or the metal.
There is a similar one on this board posted by g-m-a/Ken yesterday or the day before. His is pink satin set with lamps and a different metal motif.
BTW I won this last week at a local auction house here in So. Cal.
I forgot to mention this identical one is shown in the Yellow-Green Vaseline book by Glickman and Fedosky. No maker or pattern mentioned.
I agree, Frank this is mid-range quality.
Nan 8)
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Frank's probably closer than me Nan - he know heaps more about glass than I do - I'm still on my L-Plates here. :lol:
I do feel it's non-English but wouldn't like to pin it down closer than that despite my Bavarian handle.
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US origin would fit if painted - had quite a few bits of painted base metal of US origin. There is a stylistic difference in the glass so it could be imported and the base made locally.
It is not English. But I am going on the style not the glass - not my area. But I used to handle a lot of metal. One thing against French is the impurity of the deco design.
No marks at all on the base then?
Does the book you menton suggest a date period? Painted base metal could be from 1920's to 50's.
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Could it be August Walther & Sohne? Just a gut feel.
Glen
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greco roman style, i'd say the same august Walther
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Hi
I have looked through the 1930's catalogues of Walther glass and cannot find anything vaguely similar to the glass piece. Walther did manufacture some quite elaborate 3 and 2 piece sets but these were always in glass. Although not 100% conclusive ( but what is ) I could not find any Walther pieces with added metalwork as part of the decorative construction.
Gareth
morgan48
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You wouldn't necessarily need to find metalwork illustrated in the catalog. Much metal - glass "marriages" were made outside the glass works. Good examples are Northwood and Fenton in the USA. Neither issued glass "married" with metalwork, but it is possible to find items from those factories in metal holders etc.
Glen
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Hi Glen
Yes I did recognise that but was just pointing out that Walthers more elaborate items resulted from in-factory production rather than as a marriage from 2 seperate sources. I looked through their catalogues looking mainly for pointers that might provide some positive attribution. Also as mentioned I could not find any Walther item with similar patterns to the one illustrated. However , again, that is not conclusive nor rules out Walther....just puts them as a slim maybe for me.
Regards
Gareth
morgan48
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:D Thanks everyone. I've exhausted my search and will list as attributed to Walther and Sohne along with more comments made as to style and little bits and pieces that surely helped me out. :shock:
I'm off to take a peek at what else has been going on since my last visit. Pretty interesting board here. :wink:
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Nan, I think it might be better to list it as:
"Unknown maker - probably European".
But keep in your head the things we have all suggested, until some day a catalog is found that provides conclusive proof.
Some items will almost certainly never be fully attributed. I've been chasing one pattern for years and years, it's turned into (for me) one of the Great Carnival Glass Mysteries. There's no stigma attached to a mystery piece - it just makes it that much more interesting!
Glen
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Hello Anne,
Thanks for contacting me. I do have just this one view of this glorious centerpiece I sold some time ago. :)
Nan
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Brilliant! Thanks for adding it back Nan - with new info about old patterns surfacing all the time it's good to be able to revisit these unresolved items and see if we can pin them down.