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Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Ivo on October 08, 2006, 10:06:34 AM
I found a 5.1/2" square plate today in original box with a transfer of a beefeater. Oval gold foil label reads "Chance Glass a member of the Pilkington Group - made in England"

The box says there are 6 different models in the "Sights of London" series -
Coldstream Guard
Chelsea Pensioner
Royal Horse Guard ( The Blues)
Beefeater
London Policeman
London Bus.

In style I'd say sixties.

Rare? Search did not reveal anything.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on October 08, 2006, 10:27:54 AM
Thanks, there are in fact 10 'Sights of London', although produced in two sets (4 and 6). Date about 1970, I believe, but I'm still following this up.

Union Flag
Businessman
Scottish Piper
Underground


Horse Guard
Coldstream Guard
Chelsea Pensioner
Policeman
Bus
Beefeater

There is mention on my site, but it is squirreled away a little:

Fiestaware > Patterns > Seriesware
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Frank on October 08, 2006, 10:30:44 AM
Presumably 6 at the time Ivo's box was made, so date the addition of the other 4 and you get a good date range for set 1.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on October 08, 2006, 10:37:28 AM
The oval label actually dates this particular dish post-1970. The style of decoration does look like the Swinging Sixties, but I think Chance were behind the times :wink:
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Ivo on October 08, 2006, 11:20:00 AM
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3576

sorry for poor picture quality, camera is unavailable so used phone instead.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on October 08, 2006, 11:24:42 AM
Thanks for the photo. Just to confirm: the set of six was first announced in 1972.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Pip on October 17, 2006, 02:10:02 PM
I like these A LOT - I've seen the Beefeater and the London Bus both for sale on eBay but, for one reason or another, I didn't manage to get them. I'd love a whole set - I might make it my mission to see if I can get them all.  If you're going to sell this ever Ivo do please let me know :-)
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on October 17, 2006, 02:51:58 PM
I'll let you know when I see them Pip. You can be the curator for this section of the Chance museum :D

The London bus is quite humorous - seem to remember it's crammed with police and Guardsman.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Pip on October 17, 2006, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: "DenCill"
I'll let you know when I see them Pip. You can be the curator for this section of the Chance museum :D


Excellent! Yes please do let me know - I'm up for the challenge :-)
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Pip on November 28, 2006, 01:58:19 PM
Update: with regard to the Seriesware London scenes - I've got the Beefeater and the Policeman :-)  ....  so if anyone spots any of the others for sale I'd be grateful if you'd give me the nod (assuming you don't want them yourself of course).
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Max on November 28, 2006, 02:16:13 PM
Quote from: "Pip"
Update: with regard to the Seriesware London scenes - I've got the Beefeater and the Policeman :-)  ....  so if anyone spots any of the others for sale I'd be grateful if you'd give me the nod (assuming you don't want them yourself of course).


Ah.  I have two buses.  Perhaps we can come to an arrangement, think they only cost about a fiver each.

btw I was trying to get a set going too (forgot I already had the bus!)...we'll have to watch out for each other bidding!
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Pip on November 28, 2006, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: "Max"
Ah.  I have two buses.  Perhaps we can come to an arrangement, think they only cost about a fiver each.

btw I was trying to get a set going too (forgot I already had the bus!)...we'll have to watch out for each other bidding!


Gosh were you?  I didn't realise Max - well we can watch out for each other and make sure we let each other know what the other is doing - I don't mind how long it takes me to get my set together.  What other ones have you got already BTW?

Oh and yes please - I'd love to buy one of your buses off you - let me know how much you want for it :-)
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 02, 2006, 02:41:31 PM
I now have a boxed (somewhat tatty) and labelled union flag see here (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0939.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0939.jpg)
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Frank on December 02, 2006, 03:12:22 PM
As the jack is incorrectly drawn, perhaps it is not really a Chance piece? If it is how embarrasing that they didn't know the rules for drawing the jack!
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 02, 2006, 03:12:31 PM
Excellent, thanks Christine. Thought I'd be struggling to get examples, but have a few now :)
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 02, 2006, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: "Frank"
As the jack is incorrectly drawn, perhaps it is not really a Chance piece? If it is how embarrasing that they didn't know the rules for drawing the jack!

Ah, I was going to question that - wasn't sure without checking. However, it could simply be that they've stuck the label on the wrong side :wink:
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 02, 2006, 03:15:59 PM
Correction: just checked and it is right - the shape isn't, of course, but difficult to portray on a square dish :wink:
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Frank on December 02, 2006, 03:33:06 PM
The diagonal crosses must not have a right angle in the centre. If adapting the shape is allowed, that is still not and is considered an important point.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 02, 2006, 03:44:02 PM
O'er missis, we can't write and complain. I only took the photo guv (Well actually OH did, mine had too many reflections) There's a nugget for the book then
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Max on December 02, 2006, 03:47:05 PM
I was wondering why it wasn't correct too...

http://www.jdawiseman.com/papers/union-jack/union-jack.html
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 02, 2006, 03:51:28 PM
Erm, it is a cartoon and drawn with no pretensions to accuracy. I don't think we are supposed to query it literally - after all, do we then query all of Giles drawings (he did draw the union FLAG enough times...)
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Max on December 02, 2006, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: "DenCill"
Erm, it is a cartoon and drawn with no pretensions to accuracy. I don't think we are supposed to query it literally - after all, do we then query all of Giles drawings (he did draw the union FLAG enough times...)


Judging by the accuracy of the bus, I suppose we can cut them some slack on the Jack.   :wink:
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 02, 2006, 03:54:47 PM
Yup, never seen a Beefeater drive a London bus with loads of police as passengers... :lol:
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: josordoni on December 02, 2006, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: "DenCill"
Erm, it is a cartoon and drawn with no pretensions to accuracy. I don't think we are supposed to query it literally - after all, do we then query all of Giles drawings (he did draw the union FLAG enough times...)


Isn't it only a Jack if it is on a ship?
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 02, 2006, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: "josordoni"
Isn't it only a Jack if it is on a ship?

That's correct. Unless know otherwise it should be called the Union Flag.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Frank on December 02, 2006, 04:21:09 PM
It is the Union Jack through common parlance for nearly 100 years, of course if you are older than that...

Ah! but the bus is cariacture and the flag cannot be given that designation! So grump.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: josordoni on December 02, 2006, 04:28:09 PM
hee hee we are all such ANORAKS!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: josordoni on December 02, 2006, 04:29:30 PM
Now stop twittering,  you Chancy Chappies, and find more plates for Pip...
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Anne on December 04, 2006, 07:48:38 PM
2 more Union flags here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280056994490
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Heidimin on December 04, 2006, 09:33:39 PM
Plus two Royal Horseguards and a Chelsea Pensioner in the same seller's other items...
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: glassaddict on December 05, 2006, 08:59:23 AM
Tower of London

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200054829689



Hil

Edited to shorten link
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 05, 2006, 09:13:41 AM
Now this is an interesting one, but may not be Chance. At least, I'm pretty sure it's not a Chance design and the size isn't quite right: I've noted a 3" and 4½" square dish, but not 3½".

Of course, if Chance didn't make it, who did? It may be a later Fiesta dish during the 1980s and the style seems to suggest this era.
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: Ivo on December 05, 2006, 09:50:12 AM
I still owed you a better picture for the Chance Beefeater:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4299
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 05, 2006, 09:54:42 AM
Thanks Ivo, that's perfect  8)
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: glassaddict on December 05, 2006, 10:51:13 AM
Tower Bridge

Another one that may interest you Dencill - sorry if the link is  too long - I just cut and pasted it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6265053664

Hil[/b]
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: David E on December 05, 2006, 11:01:34 AM
Thanks Hil, I've corrected the link length.

THis one is almost certainly by Houze of the USA, but it goes to show that Chance didn't corner the market when it came to quintessential British sights! As a tourist item, I wonder if any of these dishes were sold in the UK? Otherwise, why did Houze make them in the first place?
Title: Chance - Sights of London
Post by: glassaddict on December 05, 2006, 11:54:01 AM
:lol: I now have an image of American tourists taking home London souvenirs that were made in the US  :P