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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: josordoni on November 08, 2006, 09:13:45 PM
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When I bought this little cup and saucer it was attributed to Salviati. However, Javier thinks it may not be Murano at all... any ideas of where it may be from?
http://clarkagency.co.uk/clicpicnov/_local_salviati_cup_711.htm
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Definitely not Murano, most likely to have originated in Bohemia or the Bavarian forest. As you see there is a blank space for engraving the name of the town (or spa) where it was sold, or the name of the recipient. There is a long tradition in Germany for these pieces, and this is a fine example.
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Thank you Ivo, it is a lovely little thing. The cutting is very crisp, and the gilding highlights it well.
It has a very Edwardian look to my eyes, would you think that timing would be right?
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I would never call anything from Germany Edwardian. It could be as old as Biedermeier or it could be as recent as Neo-neoclassisistic - but well wedged inside the 19th Century. So anytime between 1830 and 1900.... tending towards the latter. Hope this makes sense....
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I believe the handle was put on top to bottom before 1860 or so, and this is the later bottom to top, so I agree that it is likely to be later.
Thanks again.
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This looks identical to the one on page 84 of Miller's Collecting Glass (Yates), which is signed. I only noticed it because today I saw what I think might be 2 of the ones below, but in black not orange, and was wondering how much it was worth paying for them.
If you wouldn't mind saying how much yours was - the book price £120-150 - it would give me a comparison. Completely understand if you'd prefer not to post that info though.
Kind regards
Cat
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I've got that book, and the cup and saucer does appear identical. It says it's signed by Salviati and dates from 1920. ???
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<reshuffeling the collection of Bohemian Spa souvenirs>
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Oh well..... it sold for £12.50 some time back...so Millers, as usual, may be a LITTLE on the rich side...
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here is the listing (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230081623215)
I had listed it as a Bavarian souvenir as per Ivo, but no takers, then I went and had another look at the one on the Great-glass site and was pretty sure it was a Salviati, so listed it as such. But it wasn't signed and that would make a huge difference to the end price.
Never mind, it came in a mixed lot, and I am not out of pocket on the lot.
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Hi Lynne,
I guess, when this is your living, a profit is a profit. Sometimes it can take years to find out about a piece and I imagine you would be over-run if you had to wait to know for 100% sure. At least you know you did list this with the right description and it was only the lack of signature that held it back.
Not sure if the pieces I saw were signed (they were on the top shelf of a dealer's bit in an emporium and sooooo dusty) but they were £58 each which might make them a bit steep even signed!
Another day of learning so nothing wasted.
Cat
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Don't forget Cat, dealers prices and ebay prices are not comparable. I think this has probably been discussed before in the cafe. Dealers have higher overheads, they often have to wait a long long time for a piece to be sold. Ebay is either top dollar for rarities, or a haven for bargain seekers.
And don't forget, unless you are very sure of your dealer, you have the risk of the piece arriving in good condition or not, so a lot of people still don't like to buy breakables on line, and would prefer to pay the premium price for being able to pick up and examine a piece before they buy.
it's like Apples and Oranges. Both delicious fruit, but not from the same tree..
In general, whilst I like to get near the online market value, as long as I made a reasonable profit I try not to be greedy.
Which is not to say that I don;t grind my teeth when I see Miller's valuations..... >:( >:(
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Lynne,
I take your point on valuations.
The thing is that my collecting is totally out of control and my outgoings are heading towards exceeding my income and I am unable to stop. I figure, with all the time I spend learning more, it would be daft not to use the knowledge to pick up "missed" items if I see them (by that I mean things where the dealer doesn't know what it is and just puts a price - like the WF Tricorn I picked up for £3 last week). Then I can keep the things I adore and ebay things I've had for a long time but have lost my passion for, or bought simply to sell and fund my "habit".
I don't rely on Miller's valuations - I've always said you usually need to take at least a third off to start with - but they are problematical in another way as they are static and don't reflect the changing trends in collecting. Still they are great to flick through!
Take care
Cat